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Old 29th October 2009, 07:54 PM
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WOF Folks,

I have been thinking about what I've written below for about two years, and it just won't leave me.
I post it here now to get your reactions, does it sound true, or off in "left field", if need be read it and pray about it, I am really wanting your input.

Over the years, I, and many of you have had many discussions, (some heated) with others regarding questions like "healing in the atonement", provision for our life by the Lord, blessings through Christ, and many other subjects. I keep seeing these questions answered by what I have written below.

Thanks and God Bless, Franky




2 Cor. 1:20
"For as many as may be the promises of God, in Him they are yes wherefore also by Him is our amen to the glory of God through us."

All through scripture, "as many as" means all, so I take the verse above to mean that every promise to mankind that God has ever made must come to mankind through and by Jesus.

And if by Jesus, then by the cross.

So now we have every blessing coming through the finished work of Christ.

1 Cor. 10:4 says when Moses led them out of bondage, they all drank from the same spiritual rock, and that rock was Christ.

Everything we receive from the Father is because of Jesus.

The logical progression of thoughts along this line, is that the promises of God all through the scriptures have been secured by the work that Jesus did at calvary.

Now comes the part that separates many believers.

All would agree that salvation was secured for everyone on planet earth who would receive it.

The word used in the Greek New Testament is Sozo for saved, and soteria for salvation..

Both words mean to make whole, physically and spiritually. Both definitions include the words health, and or healing.

So all this tells me that if spiritual salvation was provided by Jesus, then physical salvation was also provided. Again, provided for all who will accept it.

I believe it is possible to accept the one, and deny oneself the other.

One of the promises is a long life (psalm 91), so no, we won't live forever, but God said,

" With a long life I will satisfy him, and let him behold My salvation"

There's that word again, only in Hebrew this time, the name for salvation is YESHUA, and it means the same thing as the two greek words, save and salvation.

All the promises of God are, in Him, are yes and amen.
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Absolutely true Franky.

And it works both ways. Have seen a number of Muslims recently physically healed through Christ's redemptive work but have not accepted forgiveness of sins yet!
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Originally Posted by KingZzub View Post
Absolutely true Franky.

And it works both ways. Have seen a number of Muslims recently physically healed through Christ's redemptive work but have not accepted forgiveness of sins yet!
I like your sermon notes on healing, will save it.
Also Keith Moore is an excellent teacher on healing, he has a CD album called "God's Will To Heal "

Sometimes I feel like I focus too much on healing, and then I think back to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and how much emphasis Jesus placed on healing, and I feel encouraged.
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Old 30th October 2009, 05:03 PM
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I have sermon album in my collection, Franky.

If you go to the links page on our website Tree of Life Church, London and Essex you will see my views on Keith Moore!
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I find it all true.
How can we ever question the promises?
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Look at some of the other threads in the other rooms, Dove, some people do all the time.
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This is the problem with many who oppose WoF. They do not see Jesus in this way. He is salvation... and He is the fulfillment of every promise made by God to the faithful. They see these promises as still being up in the air and subject to the immediate approval of God. God has approved all of them in Christ. In a strange way, those who deny that all the promises of God are yes and amen in Him are actually denying Him... for as you pointed out, HE is salvation and you really cannot deny His work without denying Him.
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The word that you say no matter how you calculate apologized for.
Everything that is free of love are not counted a virtue
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The narrow narrow named because the heart that fed poorly tolerated
Put God between you and the narrow disappears remains narrow and loving God
Not the powers of the defeated enemy, but the powers of the Win
On the occasion of the resurrection of Jesus Christ says Fdasp Pope Shenouda III, everyone is trying to repent
The living Christ is like Christ I wonder you
M Musda still lying in the grave and saluting you
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Crucified why are you here? I am the wrong free glory
The wisdom of that escapes me, O Lord, and tenderness may sublimate and heard
His Holiness the Pope offered his condolences in experiments: (God exists - all the best - its path ends)
On the occasion of the resurrection of Christ (the resurrection of Christ is evidence that is stronger than death and thus is stronger than all the power of human beings who kill and die from).
Weakened day you can learn that you have forgotten the power of God


No prayer without words .. Without words ... Beating heart prayer .... Teardrop eye prayers ..... Sense of the existence of God Prayer
Believe me, the only passport you descend by the kingdom of God is the divine testimony: You are my son ..
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If you want to relieve the people; please do so in the manner they deem convenient for them, not by your mind. Because you are probably trying to comfort them in a manner Itabhm.
Rights finds spiritual comfort in God
Who have experienced only narrow or tested aid understanding of the people of God did not open their eyes in order to perceive a good God.
The fate of the body that Spenthy faithful to the end Leite for good work.
God's children whenever entering the experiences of God and experience the sweet the taste and see God in the events in distress

Fasting is not useful from the point of fighting has errors and negative but a positive effect in
Strengthening of the spirit
I remember you constantly Ghraib on the ground and you see to your country of Heaven.
Make sure the purity of your thoughts and does not accept the thought comes to you, even if the thought of you wary of going too far wrong in it.
Prayer is the open heart to God in order to enter and purging
The prayer is the horror of the demons and the most powerful weapon against them
If you can not afford for people their troubles, at least do not be a reason for their fees
Be realistic thought in solving your problems do not focus on depression and did not find a solution to your problem or wait for the Lord and live in bear tells us
Give from your heart before being given out of your pocket
The first lesson you take from the birth of Christ is that God seeks the salvation of human rights even if he does not seek the salvation of his soul
Christ on the Asalib more beautiful and majesty of their respective holders crowns Flanrtl him and say, "The Lord has a king. It is not glorious,"
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Check out yourself before the Lord, and struggled with him and tell him I do not want just to forgive me my sin, but to tend to my heart, all love of sin at all
Is the voice of conscience and his God in human reason to Epkth good and evil, but not the voice of God
God do not need to Achorna Idrbena but it has to give and to love others and asceticism in the money as Idrbena on faith, faith in God for the blessing of a few
The right of the names of God, love Avlzy right, to love God and away from the right away from God


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"Marvel at some of the success of the far from God .. and I tell you that they like smoke when spreading weaken and dissipate, but Diqat children of God such as wood increase their faith and steadfastness, as do the wood with fire"


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Hatred is the wrath of the weak
Sympathy animal animal model for human
If planted on a tree, share a tomorrow in which
Antqamk from your enemy, it makes you equal to it. Insult him and make you less of it. Either makes you long for your forgiveness, higher than

Amnesty was sweet revenge is better than pleasure, as followed by the bitterness of remorse
Many are threatening to shivering
When we kill a tiger say this sport fishing, and when the tiger kills us to say this is brutality
Hungry for stealing a loaf, is a crime must be tried by the whole community
Chrysostom said: Let your friends in thousand, and the keeper of the password and one thousandth
It was said: circa your prisoner do last, if I started speaking the prisoner lives
People greet the person by his clothes, and as Eodonh Zkaih
There is nothing that can give you comfort and happiness but yourself


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God and his past experiences and be with God in the life of faith, encouraging
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Were mis-weave Vchwa love those old and is no longer their anger
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I remember that God sees you standing in front of you then can not infallible and you you see *
I remember that God's promises and then comforted by the beautiful in all Diqatk and forget Say said David *
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I remember the blood of Christ spilled for you defines exactly what is the value of your life and become expensive in *
Your eyes do not take away riotous living ((because you bought at a price)) 1
Indicate which Ndhurk Ndhirtha God in baptism and promised them and your parents on your behalf in denial *
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Azcirbestmrar you Ghraib on the ground and you see to your country of Heaven, so as not to focus *
All your hopes in this world and in providing you a means of stabilizing the
I remember the narrow door is attached to a kingdom, and Wright, the door wide open in front of you *
Vaherb him because all those who entered it have perished
Provide eternity and I work in a while *
Azkrank structure of the Holy Spirit, nor grieve the Spirit of God, which you and be constantly sacred structure *
I remember everything I said to you that you quickly forgot I hope that you re-read again *




Indicate your weakness, then be more careful then not subject to the ideas of pride and glory that falsehood Harpetk

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I have sermon album in my collection, Franky.

If you go to the links page on our website Tree of Life Church, London and Essex you will see my views on Keith Moore!
KingZzub,

You should submit your churches website to Charismatic Centrals Church Directory. See the link in my sigline. If you know of any other good wof/charismatic churches let me know.
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Franky, All you said is scriptural
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