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Be With Us Always:
If we keep God's commandments we will be worthy to feel the guidance of the Holy Ghost, which means we can have this gift with us almost all the time. This is often called the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost and is a great gift from our Heavenly Father.
Baptism by Fire:
Receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost is sometimes called the baptism of fire. "For the gate by which ye should enter is repentance and baptism by water; and then cometh a remission of your sins by fire and by the Holy Ghost" (2 Nephi 31:17.) This "fire" from the gift of the Holy Ghost cleanses us from our sins when we repent and is what purifies and sanctifies us.
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How clean must a person be to enter Heavenly Father's Presence? Are only the most worthy allowed to be in His Presence or are those who are only a little dirty also allowed in?


Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 15
34 But behold, I say unto you, the kingdom of God is not filthy, and there cannot any unclean thing enter into the kingdom of God; wherefore there must needs be a place of filthiness prepared for that which is filthy.


Doctrine and Covenants 138
35 And so it was made known among the dead, both small and great, the unrighteous as well as the faithful, that redemption had been wrought through the sacrifice of the Son of God upon the cross.
36 Thus was it made known that our Redeemer spent his time during his sojourn in the world of spirits, instructing and preparing the faithful spirits of the prophets who had testified of him in the flesh;
37 That they might carry the message of redemption unto all the dead, unto whom he could not go personally, because of their rebellion and transgression, that they through the ministration of his servants might also hear his words.
38 Among the great and mighty ones who were assembled in this vast congregation of the righteous were Father Adam, the Ancient of Days and father of all,
39 And our glorious Mother Eve, with many of her faithful daughters who had lived through the ages and worshiped the true and living God.
40 Abel, the first martyr, was there, and his brother Seth, one of the mighty ones, who was in the express image of his father, Adam.
41 Noah, who gave warning of the flood; Shem, the great high priest; Abraham, the father of the faithful; Isaac, Jacob, and Moses, the great law-giver of Israel;
42 And Isaiah, who declared by prophecy that the Redeemer was anointed to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that were bound, were also there.
43 Moreover, Ezekiel, who was shown in vision the great valley of dry bones, which were to be clothed upon with flesh, to come forth again in the resurrection of the dead, living souls;
44 Daniel, who foresaw and foretold the establishment of the kingdom of God in the latter days, never again to be destroyed nor given to other people;
45 Elias, who was with Moses on the Mount of Transfiguration;
46 And Malachi, the prophet who testified of the coming of Elijah—of whom also Moroni spake to the Prophet Joseph Smith, declaring that he should come before the ushering in of the great and dreadful day of the Lord—were also there.
47 The Prophet Elijah was to plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to their fathers,
48 Foreshadowing the great work to be done in the temples of the Lord in the dispensation of the fulness of times, for the redemption of the dead, and the sealing of the children to their parents, lest the whole earth be smitten with a curse and utterly wasted at his coming.
49 All these and many more, even the prophets who dwelt among the Nephites and testified of the coming of the Son of God, mingled in the vast assembly and waited for their deliverance,
50 For the dead had looked upon the long absence of their spirits from their bodies as a bondage.
51 These the Lord taught, and gave them power to come forth, after his resurrection from the dead, to enter into his Father’s kingdom, there to be crowned with immortality and eternal life,
52 And continue thenceforth their labor as had been promised by the Lord, and be partakers of all blessings which were held in reserve for them that love him.


Can people of varying degrees of worthiness be in Heavenly Father's Presence?

Doctrine and Covenants 132
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines—
2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.
3 Therefore, prepare thy heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.
4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.
5 For all who will have a blessing at my hands shall abide the law which was appointed for that blessing, and the conditions thereof, as were instituted from before the foundation of the world.
6 And as pertaining to the new and everlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my glory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.
7 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.
8 Behold, mine house is a house of order, saith the Lord God, and not a house of confusion.

23 But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that where I am ye shall be also.
24 This is eternal lives—to know the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath sent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.
25 Broad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the deaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they receive me not, neither do they abide in my law.
26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be delivered unto the buffetings of Satan unto the day of redemption, saith the Lord God.

37 Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.
38 David also received many wives and concubines, and also Solomon and Moses my servants, as also many others of my servants, from the beginning of creation until this time; and in nothing did they sin save in those things which they received not of me.
39 David’s wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I gave them unto another, saith the Lord.

THE PROMISE TO JOSEPH SMITH:

46 And verily, verily, I say unto you, that whatsoever you seal on earth shall be sealed in heaven; and whatsoever you bind on earth, in my name and by my word, saith the Lord, it shall be eternally bound in the heavens; and whosesoever sins you remit on earth shall be remitted eternally in the heavens; and whosesoever sins you retain on earth shall be retained in heaven.
47 And again, verily I say, whomsoever you bless I will bless, and whomsoever you curse I will curse, saith the Lord; for I, the Lord, am thy God.
48 And again, verily I say unto you, my servant Joseph, that whatsoever you give on earth, and to whomsoever you give any one on earth, by my word and according to my law, it shall be visited with blessings and not cursings, and with my power, saith the Lord, and shall be without condemnation on earth and in heaven.
49 For I am the Lord thy God, and will be with thee even unto the end of the world, and through all eternity; for verily I seal upon you your exaltation, and prepare a throne for you in the kingdom of my Father, with Abraham your father.


THOSE WHO ARE NOT MARRIED FOR TIME AND ETERNITY:

15 Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.
16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
17 For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are angels of God forever and ever.
18 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
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Old 29th October 2009, 06:53 PM
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Sorry Phoebe, I not sure what you want us to respond to in your post.

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Originally Posted by Doc T View Post
Sorry Phoebe, I not sure what you want us to respond to in your post.

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A little caffeine can clear the mind.

A question mark indicates a question.

How clean must a person be to enter Heavenly Father's Presence?

Are only the most worthy allowed to be in His Presence or are those who are only a little dirty also allowed in?

Can people of varying degrees of worthiness be in Heavenly Father's Presence?
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Originally Posted by Phoebe Ann View Post
A little caffeine can clear the mind.
Yeah, my caffeine ran out a few hours earlier.
Originally Posted by Phoebe Ann
A question mark indicates a question.
That I understand, but there were quotes in your post that seemed not to have anything to do with the questions, so I was not sure if they were rhetorical or not.
Originally Posted by Phoebe Ann
How clean must a person be to enter Heavenly Father's Presence?
100%
Originally Posted by Phoebe Ann
Are only the most worthy allowed to be in His Presence or are those who are only a little dirty also allowed in?
Only the 100% clean.
Originally Posted by Phoebe Ann
Can people of varying degrees of worthiness be in Heavenly Father's Presence?
No.
Now with those questions answered, know that we do not merit any of the above. It is only by the blood of Christ that he makes us clean and worthy. It is only through the blood of Christ that we become 100% clean and that we become 100% worthy.
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Originally Posted by Phoebe Ann View Post
How clean must a person be to enter Heavenly Father's Presence?

Are only the most worthy allowed to be in His Presence or are those who are only a little dirty also allowed in?

Can people of varying degrees of worthiness be in Heavenly Father's Presence?
Phoebe, let me ask you a question.

In non-LDS doctrine, how clean must a person be to enter the kingdom of heaven?


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Old 30th October 2009, 10:27 AM
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Yeah, my caffeine ran out a few hours earlier.
Are you sure you weren't drinking Postum? It doesn't work, you know.

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That I understand, but there were quotes in your post that seemed not to have anything to do with the questions, so I was not sure if they were rhetorical or not.
Oh, really?

Originally Posted by Doc T View Post
100%

Only the 100% clean.
So the unexalted cannot be in His Presence, right?


Originally Posted by Doc T View Post
No.
Now with those questions answered, know that we do not merit any of the above. It is only by the blood of Christ that he makes us clean and worthy. It is only through the blood of Christ that we become 100% clean and that we become 100% worthy.
I appreciate your time, but your scriptures and your Articles of Faith say that the commandments must be kept and that by keeping the commandments one is "washed clean." Do you remember that? The blood of Christ(according to LDS scripture) does not wash away the sins of those who do not keep the commandments.
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(I think they stopped making Postum a while back. Not even Mormons were using it, apparently.)
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Phoebe, let me ask you a question.

In non-LDS doctrine, how clean must a person be to enter the kingdom of heaven?

Have you not read my post to you on your "Prove It" thread that you asked the mods to close? See:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7408863-2/

You posted:

Matt. 5: 20

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Can you enter the kingdom of heaven if your righteousness doesn't exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees?
I answered:

No. That is why we must have the imputed righteousness of Christ.
If the imputed righteousness of Christ is not enough, we're all in a heap of trouble!

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(I think they stopped making Postum a while back. Not even Mormons were using it, apparently.)
It was NASTY! You're right, Kraft gave it up in 2007!

But maybe Doc had an old jar in the back of his pantry.
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Originally Posted by Phoebe Ann View Post
It was NASTY! You're right, Kraft gave it up in 2007!

But maybe Doc had an old jar in the back of his pantry.

I dunno - in an earlier post he mentioned his caffeine had worn off. Apparently he's among those who interpret the WoW liberally. I had a bishop who conducted recommend interviews with a can of Coke Classic on his desk.

I used to mix Postum in my hot chocolate on really cold mornings - I kinda liked it like that, but drinking it straight was indeed nasty.

Sorry - won't derail your thread with this any more!
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