Perfectly Clean

I'm so sorry that you aren't familiar with Doctrine & Covenants 132 and your Articles of Faith.

A lot of the teachings of Mormonism were understood by their prophets, yet some of the church members don't catch on.

I have shown where God's spiritual laws are commandments, not merely suggestions. In Mormonism, fulness of salvation is to have eternal life, to be like Christ, to attain perfection.

Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, 1969, p.164

Trying Is Not Sufficient
Nor is repentence when one merely tries to abandon sin.

Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, 1969, p. 208-209
Living all the commandments guarantees total forgiveness of sins and assures one of exaltation through the perfection which comes by complying with the formula the Lord gave us.

It matters not that Kimball's book is not considered authoritative church doctrine. Only that which is canonized receives that accolade.

The LDS scriptures are replete with instructions about repentance, obedience, and the conditions that are required for forgiveness.

Keep my commandments continually, and a crown of righteousness thou shalt receive. And except thou do this, where I am you cannot come (Doctrine & Covenants 25:15)

Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.
(Moroni 10:32)

(Gospel Truth, 1:195-196)
How many of you are seeking for these gifts that God has promised to bestow? How many of you, when you bow before you Heavenly Father in you family circle or in you secret places, contend for these gifts to be bestowed upon you? How many of you ask the Father in the name of Jesus to manifest Himself to you through these powers and these gifts? Or do you go along day by day like a door turning on its hinges, without having any feeling upon the subject, without exercising any faith whatever, content to be baptized and be members of the Church and to rest there, thinking that your salvation is secure because you have done this?

President George Q. Cannon taught: “If any of us are imperfect, it is our duty to pray for the gift that will make us perfect. Have I imperfections? I am full of them. What is my duty? To pray to God to give me the gifts that will correct these imperfections. If I am an angry man, it is my duty to pray for charity, which suffereth long and is kind. Am I an envious man? It is my duty to seek for charity, which envieth not. So with all the gifts of the Gospel. They are intended for this purpose. No man ought to say, ‘Oh, I cannot help this; it is my nature.’ He is not justified in it, for the reason that God has promised to give strength to correct these things, and to give gifts that will eradicate them” (Millennial Star, 23 Apr. 1894, 260).

Lesson 15: “Seek Ye Earnestly the Best Gifts”, Doctrine and Covenants and Church History Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual, p. 81[/size]

I'm so sorry you aren't familiar with what the LDS actually believe.

I'm so sorry you aren't familiar with what the LDS actually believe.

All saints who obtain the Celestial kingdom are fully cleansed from their sins. The status they have within the Celestial kingdom is not a matter of some being less sinful than others. It deals wholly with whether they have made the covenants that are necessary.


The operative word here is sin. I challenge you to find a talk where the LDS are told to repent of their unmarried state. Being single is not considered a sin. To never marry is not considered to have sinned.

Either provide proof that there is sin attached to those who are unmarried or you are pursuing a figment of the imagination here.




Indeed. And what do you think this has to do with supporting your idea about Marriage and being unclean in the Celestial Kingdom?




No what matters in this instance, is that you aren't applying what he had to say correctly. The fact that you want to play with the official doctrine theme here is unimportant.




There is no forgiveness required for being single. Please provide support for the notion that there is, or find a real argument to use.




And that is speaking of the Celestial Kingdom. The only covenant required for entrance to the Celestial Kingdom is baptism.





And what is it that you think this supports. Certainly, not the notion that being single is a sin.




Bing. This is a discussion about exercising faith. It does mention that baptism will secure your salvation, but it is urging them to exercise faith. As I mentioned above, baptism is the covenant which grants entrance to the Celestial Kingdom, where no unclean thing may dwell.

This doesn't address Eternal Marriage, or even Endowments, at all. Please take time to read these in context and make sure they actually support your argument before you post them as proof of your claim.




Again, it helps if you post quotes that apply to the discussion. I am all in favor of praying for gifts that will help us become perfect, but that isn't what is currently on the table. We are discussing two seperate topics that you are attempting to lump together: nothing unclean can enter the celestial kingdom, and; obeying God's commandments that apply to the covenants of Eternal Marriage that lead to exaltation.

Here is a milk level item for this subject: No one can enter the Celestial Kingdom unless they have been cleansed of all sin. Period. If your discussion involves what happens in the Celestial Kingdom then uncleanliness has no bearing on it.

So does this verse indicate as you seemed to be, (correct me if I am wrong) that by keeping the commandments we are continually washed clean or is this a one time event when a person is baptized? You see the commandments that these verses are referring to are to believe in Christ and be baptized by immersion. And by keeping these commandments we are washed and cleansed from our sins that we committed prior to baptism and then we receive the Holy Spirit. These verses however have nothing to do with keeping all of Gods commandments to be washed clean as I took your post to indicate.

HOW CAN WE INHERIT CELESTIAL GLORY? (D&C 76:50–70)

We must:

a. Receive the testimony of Jesus (D&C 76:51).

b. Be baptized by one with priesthood authority (D&C 76:51).

c. Keep the commandments (D&C 76:52).

d. Receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (D&C 76:52–53).

e. Overcome the world by faith (D&C 76:53).

f. Be made perfect through the Atonement of Jesus Christ (D&C 76:69).

WHO ELSE WILL INHERIT CELESTIAL GLORY? (D&C 137:7–10)

Those who:

g. Die without a knowledge of the gospel but “would have received it with all their hearts” (D&C 137:7–9).

And those who:

h. “Die before they arrive at the years of accountability” (D&C 137:10).

And what about a scripture or scriptures "that the blood of Christ will not wash away the sins of those who do not keep the commandments." Do you have that one too?

Doc

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So, in Mormonism, even if you are cleansed of all sin when you stand before God/Heavenly Father, he will deny you blessings that he has bestowed on others whom he refers to as sons and daughters, who are part of the Church of the Firstborn. Is that correct?

You will notice, Doc, that the D&C 76 says by keeping the commandments (which generally means all the commandments of the LDS gospel), and it does not say by keeping these two commandments.



LDS.org - Sunday School Chapter Detail - The Three Kingdoms of Glory




Well, it's there in D&C 76:
52 That by keeping the commandments they might be washed and cleansed from all their sins,

Note the operative word, once again, is sins. Being single is not a sin.