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Ok, first off, you should understand that I am a Bible literalist. I prefer plain reading and linguistic evidence over anything. And I also believe the Bible is self-confirming. Just so you know where I'm coming from.



I don't know what you mean about the God Trusting people, but with respect to Noah and the flood, yes, I agree. He did escape the flood. Lot did escape the fire and brimstone. Unfortunately, you are just posing a hypothetical to interpret scripture. I prefer examining the actual words on the page for their literal meaning.

The problem with your interpretation is the word "ek" or ekpugo that word for escape means to "come out from" something. This is going to be even more significant in a moment.



Again, I am not sure how you choose to interpret scripture. The seals are the seals on a scoll which contains the prophecies of the end of the world. God is literally holding this scroll until Revelation Chapter 5. As The Lamb, Christ Jesus opens them, different prophesied events take place that move us closer to the Day of The Lord. There is nothing said here about Satan at all. It is what it says it is.

And I will repeat that this (the 6th Seal) is the only time in the Bible where the requisite signs for the Day of The Lord to begin are fulfilled.



Again, I prefer just looking at the Greek to know the meaning of a word over pure speculation. A "seal" (sphragizo) is a signet or a stamp. The signet is put on the scroll to show that only one of a certain rank can be permitted to open it (that being Jesus Christ, the only one worthy).To be "sealed" means to be impressed with a stamp or be strengthened. Either definition works for the 144,000 witnesses.





I really don't know how you deduce this to be a Millenial scene. For one The Day of The Lord has not even taken place yet. The Marriage Supper of The Lamb has not taken place either. So it's not even time for Christ to return to Earth, much less set up his Kingdom.

Regarding Revelation 7:14, the highly respected Bible scholar Dr. Robert H. Mounce, in his exhaustive commentary and analysis The Book of Revelation (1977, p.173) writes,
“The participle should be understood in a general sense to mean ‘such as come’ or perhaps as a more vivid way of saying ‘they that have just come.’ The aorist [tense] of vs. 13 makes unlikely the idea that oi erxomenoi refers to some who are still arriving.”

Again, just providing more solid linguistic evidence to show what the meaning is. These raptured saints have indeed come out from the Great Tribulation and are now standing before The Lamb just as Jesus prophesied in Luke 21. And just logically, since the Day of The Lord has NOT begun yet, they clearly have escaped it. So the Bible supports this idea With the same word usage in different books and the same prophetic timing used in Joel 2:31.



Thanks for considering. God bless.

There is no rapture, only Christ's second comming.
End of story.
Stop trying to make something out of nothing.

As I've said before (in other threads) I am not pre-wrath. I am not pre-trib and I'm obviously not post-trib. Truth be told, I think all those models have flaws in them. I just go by what the Bible says as opposed to any of those models. The rapture of the church happens at the 6th seal. The Day of The Lord commences after then and last for 7 years. At the end of which, Christ returns, vanquishes the antichrist, false prophet and their armies and establishes his millennial kingdom.

I believe in 2 literal witnesses who are sent from Heaven to proclaim the gospel for 1260 days. They are killed by the antichrist, their bodies literally lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days and they are resurrected and go back to heaven. I believe the antichrist is a person, not a symbol or a nation. He is a global ruler and is accompanied by the false prophet, who is also an actual person.

you guys /gals are misunderstanding the seals...


they are not actions, but info only...for the elect....SEALED into their minds, as told in Rev7

what is forcast to happens in the 6th seal, also happens in the 7th trump, and 7th vial...

iow, don't think that the rapture to Christ happens before the 7th trump/vial....the 6th seal is not the end, but a teaching about the end...

it does not mean that the Lord's Day immidiately follows the 6th chapter of Rev...but rather that the Lord's Day commences within the teaching of the 6th seal, which is also when the 7th trump and 7th vial happen...


the seals are not a linear timeline...



and the Lord's Day is the Millennium, the 2000 years after the Lord returns, not the tribulation.

LOL! 'harpazo' means "to rapture"! Too bad you wern't around in Paul's day to straghten him out!