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Thank you, thank you, thank you for the inspiration! I have now come up with the third law of the HI theory. It's been a long time coming. It's been on the tip of my tounge for well over a year, maybe two.
The third law of the HI() theory ....
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Page 4, and we're still waiting for Dad to address the refutation made on page 1, post 4.
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Page 4, and we're still waiting for Dad to address the refutation made on page 1, post 4.
Be mindful of the second law, my young Padawan. You may not like it, but a is an answer.
__________________ It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him.
-- Abraham Lincoln
They that would give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Ben Franklin
But who is the ignorant man? Those who have actually studied cosmology, or someone who pulls fantasies out of his ... (In your case, it makes no difference!) ...head?
If cosmology covered it, they would not be ignorant. But it hardly seems to know it's elbow from it's toe.
But what astronomers are looking at is what they see right now and what they have seen in the past. And if they are looking at something 1 light year (1013 kilometers) away they are looking a year into the past. And if they are looking at the microwave background radiation they are looking back about thirteen billion years.
Ah, but are they really? We have not been observing long enough to start talking big. How much stardust have we seen turn to a star in the last 100 years, or even since Hubble??! It is all theory. All.
Take a look at entanglement, for example, where two photons or other quantum particles are somehow connected. How do you know that we were not connected to the far universe at some point!!?? If so, that means we can walk all over light speed, and every other law of physics. If the connection was broken, for example (and I don't have to tell you when, do I?) that means we have no idea what it was like when it was connected! God's will was what connected the dots. His spiritual added to the physical.
The image may fall upon your retinae but Your brain can't process it.
Image of what? How the processing is done is all important.
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I already replied to this post. If you want to discuss some perceived refutation, let us know the details of your claim, now.
Fine. Since your entire argument is based on the idea that a flip would be incredibly rare, why don't you address the fact that Hydrogen is incredibly common, as this professor of Astronomy does, specifically.
"However, one must remember that there are a LOT of neutral hydrogenatoms in the interstellar medium, and at any one time some fraction of them will be in their slightly excited state."
Also, you mention God and an alternate universe state in your OP, one of which is non-falsifiable, the other is non-parsimonious.
And no, actually, this is the first time you've shown the slightest indication of addressing the point. The one and only time you mentioned it was to arbitrarily declare it supported your own position, when anyone can read it and see that in the above quote, the author clearly refutes your own main point. You have thus far refused to address that point which is somewhat inconvenient to your position.
__________________ "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for ever should we fail- should we fall- we will know that we have lived." --Anomander Rake.
"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." --Plato
"I cried unto the LORD with my voice, and He heard me out of His holy hill." Psalm 3:4
"The virtuous man is never a novice in worldly things." Marcus Valerius Martialis
Fine. Since your entire argument is based on the idea that a flip would be incredibly rare, why don't you address the fact that Hydrogen is incredibly common, as this professor of Astronomy does, specifically.
Who said a flip would be rare? The reason I know that what we see didn't flip, is NOT because anything is rare, especially Hydrogen. It is because it take longer by thousands of times, than the universe has existed.
from your link
" if left for a very long time (roughly 10 million years), the electron will spontaneously flip its spin orientation back to the lower energy configuration. "
Nothing refutes that at all.
Also, you mention God and an alternate universe state in your OP, one of which is non-falsifiable, the other is non-parsimonious.
Don't blame God for the limited rules, and understanding of man. Science is a little kid on the block, it has no ability to falsify God, or much else, but what is in it's little box.
And no, actually, this is the first time you've shown the slightest indication of addressing the point. The one and only time you mentioned it was to arbitrarily declare it supported your own position, when anyone can read it and see that in the above quote, the author clearly refutes your own main point. You have thus far refused to address that point which is somewhat inconvenient to your position.
See above. Don't you wish....
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Who said a flip would be rare? The reason I know that what we see didn't flip, is NOT because anything is rare, especially Hydrogen. It is because it take longer by thousands of times, than the universe has existed.
from your link
" if left for a very long time (roughly 10 million years), the electron will spontaneously flip its spin orientation back to the lower energy configuration. "
Nothing refutes that at all.
I think we agree. I'm confused, and lost now. But whatever.
Originally Posted by dad
Don't blame God for the limited rules, and understanding of man. Science is a little kid on the block, it has no ability to falsify God, or much else, but what is in it's little box.
See above. Don't you wish....
You can say that as much as you wish, but insulting the basis of the Scientific Method doesn't give you a ticket to invent a scientific theory without having to follow the rules, same as every other scientific/historical theory.
__________________ "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for ever should we fail- should we fall- we will know that we have lived." --Anomander Rake.
"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." --Plato
"I cried unto the LORD with my voice, and He heard me out of His holy hill." Psalm 3:4
"The virtuous man is never a novice in worldly things." Marcus Valerius Martialis
Thank you, thank you, thank you for the inspiration! I have now come up with the third law of the HI theory. It's been a long time coming. It's been on the tip of my tounge for well over a year, maybe two.
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