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Old 29th October 2009, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by laconicstudent View Post
Probably true, but you have to take Poe's law into consideration. How do we separate Dad's trolling from the real thing? What if he's actually serious this time?
It is the real thing, but it's still trolling. Dad never debates anything. He simply falls back to his "different state" nonsense, so his posts can't be called anything else than troll-posts.
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Old 29th October 2009, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Thistlethorn View Post
It is the real thing, but it's still trolling. Dad never debates anything. He simply falls back to his "different state" nonsense, so his posts can't be called anything else than troll-posts.

Good point. Its awfully hard to has a reasonable discussion with someone who considers themselves inerrant and refuses to even respond to evidence and logic to the contrary.
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Old 29th October 2009, 05:39 AM
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Well, I'm going to bed, but before that I think I should preemptively remind everyone of scientific parsimony.

Parsimony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 29th October 2009, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by laconicstudent View Post
Fascinating how you dance around and don't even mention the refutation offered in my post. I'll give it to you again. Hopefully, the more succinct, the harder time you'll have ignoring the point.

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Now, instead of evading, why don't you explain how it is that the explanation the experts give that answers your question is invalid?
You must remember that you have no idea what is actually out there. Therefore you have no idea if starlight split hydrogen atoms, or something else. All we can do is weakly try to see what is out there. Even then, that requires, usually, a lot of 'imagination' to put it politely.

"molecular hydrogen (symbol H2) The normal form of hydrogen gas found on Earth, with two hydrogen atoms bound together by two shared electrons. Hydrogen molecules cannot survive in most regions of space, because they are easily dissociated (split) by ultraviolet light from stars, but they do occur in cold, dense molecular clouds where they are shielded by dust particles. Molecular hydrogen is the main constituent of molecular clouds, but it is difficult to observe directly as it is a symmetrical molecule with no strong radio or millimetre-wave spectral lines."

molecular hydrogen - Definition of molecular hydrogen | Encyclopedia.com: Dictionary of Astronomy

So what "split" what, when, and how do we know, is the issue. Not, what splits what on earth now.

Science certainly is full of the dark stuff.
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Old 29th October 2009, 11:16 AM
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Old 29th October 2009, 01:07 PM
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In my experience, given enough time and thread length, dad eventually cannot keep up with his claims and eventually refutes his own arguments. I call it BananaSlug's law of dadtropy.
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Old 29th October 2009, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by laconicstudent View Post
Fascinating how you dance around and don't even mention the refutation offered in my post. I'll give it to you again. Hopefully, the more succinct, the harder time you'll have ignoring the point.

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Now, instead of evading, why don't you explain how it is that the explanation the experts give that answers your question is invalid?
You've just run into the second law of the HI theory. Never underestimate the power of the .
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Old 29th October 2009, 01:29 PM
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Obviously the cookie did not sate his gluttony.

Perhaps he wants some pie?
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Dad's officially a troll. He failed twice in a row to address the bolded and underlined refutation. Now Dad is also pretending that emission spectra lies as well and we don't know what's out there, despite the fact that emission spectra is based on experiments that you can preform in any physics lab.
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