Genesis 7:21-23 claims that God wiped out everyone on the planet because humanity had become so evil and vile that the slate had to be wiped completely clean.
I find it difficult to believe that some unknown women could be spared, yet all the babies and unborn children were so evil and vile that every one of them had to be killed. Then again, I find all the nonsense in the Bible difficult to believe. Do you believe that all the babies and unborn children in the world were so evil and vile that every single one of them deserved to be killed?
Child murderers do not have the same intention as God, nor do they have the same authority. To say that the two are the same suggests that you believe that the end always justifies the means.
You weren’t claiming that intention and authority had anything to do with it. You said “It has also been pointed out several times that innocent children will go to heaven, and so the temporary suffering they endured on earth is repaid in eternal joy.” You and the others here were the ones arguing that the end justified the means. So are you a person who thinks that because babies will go to heaven it is okay to kill them? If not (and I hope that is the case) then why would you worship something that kills babies, for whatever reason?
We admire and respect God because he is God.
And it indiscriminately kills babies. Doesn’t that matter to you at all? Do you just overlook the child killing because your God promises you everlasting life? Tell me, when do you think it is acceptable to kill babies and children?
I'm pretty sure that if you believed that God was real you would have contempt for Him, period.
Given all the other examples of intolerance, cruelty and violence attributed to your God in the Bible, you are probably right. The indiscriminate killing of babies is just one part of it. If such a thing as your God were real, I would indeed have nothing but utter contempt for it.
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FWIW, in my view Genesis 6-9 is a narrative way of answering the question "why doesn't God just wipe out evil by force?"
So you are saying that the story isn’t actually true? How many other stories in the Bible are not true?
I don't understand those passage to say what you interpret them as saying, so ... no.
Okay, then perhaps you could explain what they mean then, please.
MT 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
MT 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
JN 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.
2THESS 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Do they sound like the sorts of things a loving God would do?
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So your saying indiscriminate death of women and children isn't the issue here. your just not happy with God, does that sound right?
No, that doesn’t sound right at all. Of course the indiscriminate death of women and children is an issue. Are you okay with those deaths? Why would you worship something that causes them?
again, death is only an issue to those who fear it, or simply don't understand it
I don’t fear death so I don’t feel the need to believe that I will never really die. Wouldn’t it be more likely that those who do fear death would be the ones who would cling to beliefs like that?
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Christians worship God because he is the Creator of everything
How about answering the real question in the OP? Why do Christians worship, revere, admire, respect or have any kind of “personal relationship” (whatever that means) with something that they know indiscriminately kills children and babies?
As Creator, God has the right to do with his creatures whatever he wants
So you’re okay with all the killing? You’ll just worship your God anyway?
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I find it difficult to believe that some unknown women could be spared, yet all the babies and unborn children were so evil and vile that every one of them had to be killed. Then again, I find all the nonsense in the Bible difficult to believe. Do you believe that all the babies and unborn children in the world were so evil and vile that every single one of them deserved to be killed?
Again, my belief in God does not hinge on this issue. It is your sticking point, not mine. God decided that the only way to preserve mankind was to start over with Noah. I really don't think that I know enough to be able to tell God that He was wrong. The most I could manage would be an uninformed emotional reaction based on the unpleasantness of the situation.
You weren’t claiming that intention and authority had anything to do with it. You said “It has also been pointed out several times that innocent children will go to heaven, and so the temporary suffering they endured on earth is repaid in eternal joy.” You and the others here were the ones arguing that the end justified the means. So are you a person who thinks that because babies will go to heaven it is okay to kill them? If not (and I hope that is the case) then why would you worship something that kills babies, for whatever reason?
You insist on not recognizing the difference between an authoritative, omniscient God who created the universe, and just some dude. If you ascribe to God the same intelligence and authority as a mere human, then yes, of course you would be able to argue that it's not ok for Him to do any of the things He does in the bible. It's not ok for me to order men with guns to kill people, so how come the president of the United States gets to? Because he has that authority and I don't. The fact that the babies go to heaven is not an explanation that the end justifies the means, because getting babies into heaven was not the purpose of the decision. It was not the "end." However we mention it because it points out that your central point is not really an issue.
To restate your objection: "How can you worship a God who at one point indiscriminately sent babies to eternal paradise in order to achieve a specific goal"
lol you know how when you hear a word over and over again it starts to lose meaning? I'm starting to feel that way about indiscriminate... Anyways...
How about answering the real question in the OP? Why do Christians worship, revere, admire, respect or have any kind of “personal relationship” (whatever that means) with something that they know indiscriminately kills children and babies?
God is not capable of indiscriminately doing anything. He knows all that is, was, and ever will be, and with that knowledge, He can't do anything without knowing exactly what He's doing, what effect it will have, etc. God also is perfect and always good, which means any of His wrath and anger is righteous and just. Which means He was justified in killing or allowing the deaths of anyone that has died from the beginning of time till the end of time, because only He knows all things. He knows what's in the hearts of those people and what will be best for the future of the entire world.
You and I can't peer into someone's heart and see if they are good or wicked or somewhere in between. Only God can do that. If you don't like His methods, so be it, but you cannot say that God kills indiscriminately because you are going off the Bible, and the Bible says that God knows way too much and has too great of a plan for anything to be done indiscriminately.
oops just realized I forgot to answer the question. I worship God because He gave me life, created everything I have ever/will ever know, and has come into my life to save me and deliver me from evil and give me eternal life. I think those are all things worth worshipping over!
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"Why do Christians worship, revere, admire, respect or have any kind of “personal relationship” (whatever that means) with something that they know indiscriminately kills children and babies?"
Sigma, is there any one on this earth whom you admire, respect or have any kind of personal relationship with? If so, why do admire, respect or have a relationship with them?
I worship God because He is worth more than all life on earth past, present, or future. Male of female, young or old. Because He is worthy of being praised and worshiped and is not to be judged by our standards. In fact He's not to be judged at all, but He is to be held in the highest awe for the holiness and righteousness of His Name.
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I'm sorry, the question at hand is silly. Why do people worship God? What, do you mean as opposed to cursing Him? What else could we do to God other than worship Him?
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