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Anyone here have any thoughts on Frank Tipler's ideas of Omega Point theory? Anyone read The Physics of Immortality or The Physics of Christianity? He claims he's proven the existence of the Triune God through general relativity and quantum mechanics. If he's a crackpot he's a pretty interesting one.
It's a very interesting idea, and would probably actually make a good science fiction book...
However, it is certainly not mainstream physics. I'm not even sure if the paper was ever published in a decent journal either. It would be good to see the criticism of it.
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He claims he's proven the existence of the Triune God through general relativity and quantum mechanics.
Yay! We don't need faith anymore!
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On the contrary, I think it would be actually extremely amazing if God could be scientifically proven. It's not possible, of course, but it would still be amazing.
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It's a very interesting idea, and would probably actually make a good science fiction book...
However, it is certainly not mainstream physics. I'm not even sure if the paper was ever published in a decent journal either. It would be good to see the criticism of it.
Dark_lite, I don't know if your referring to a fiction book dealing specifically with proving God via Omega Theory, but there are plenty of science fiction books that use the Omega Point as a plot device.
John C. Wright's The Golden Age trilogy includes a highly advanced humanity that unifies all its minds into a super-mind every thousand years. The expressed goal of the AI's is the creation of a voluntary Omega Point.
Peter F. Hamilton's The Night's Dawn Trilogy is another series that deals with the Omega Point and the nature of souls etc. etc. when all of the souls suddenly begin possessing the living, we finally have our empirical scientific evidence of the existence of souls. Even though it is unfortunately a civilization ending event.
Those are just the couple that come immediately to mind.
I believe Dan Simmons Hyperion, Fall of Hyperion, Endymion and Rise of Endymion books are another few that use the idea of a global super-consciousness/Omega Point.
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"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." --Plato
"I cried unto the LORD with my voice, and He heard me out of His holy hill." Psalm 3:4
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I believe Teilhard de Chardin the Catholic Priest and scientist first coined the term? I've been meaning to read a few of his works sometime but keep putting it off.
I have Teilhard de Chardin's Phenomenon of Man sitting on my bookshelf from the library and I seem to never find the time or energy to get into it.
__________________ "There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for ever should we fail- should we fall- we will know that we have lived." --Anomander Rake.
"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." --Plato
"I cried unto the LORD with my voice, and He heard me out of His holy hill." Psalm 3:4
"The virtuous man is never a novice in worldly things." Marcus Valerius Martialis
I believe Teilhard de Chardin the Catholic Priest and scientist first coined the term? I've been meaning to read a few of his works sometime but keep putting it off.
Yeah, he was a priest, paleontologist, biologist, and philosopher. Another interesting fellow.
There are scientists who say that artificial consciousness is inevitable (of course they could be wrong), but I'm wondering, could anything which we might call "transhumanism" be compatible with Christianity? Would an "uploaded consciousness" be a person as Christianity understands what a person is, or does it matter? When Christians object to evolution, a TE might respond "that's just the way God works". So could you also say the same of transhumanism?
Yeah, he was a priest, paleontologist, biologist, and philosopher. Another interesting fellow.
There are scientists who say that artificial consciousness is inevitable (of course they could be wrong), but I'm wondering, could anything which we might call "transhumanism" be compatible with Christianity? Would an "uploaded consciousness" be a person as Christianity understands what a person is, or does it matter? When Christians object to evolution, a TE might respond "that's just the way God works". So could you also say the same of transhumanism?
Ever watch the TV series Battlestar Galactica? It poses many of the same questions through the plot device of the Cylons.
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Even though it is unfortunately a civilization ending event.
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