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Exactly... Ironically the Republican presidents of the past 40 years or so have increased the debt much much more than their counterparts. yet Republicans claim to be the ones to be worried about that debt?

Do you have any documented proof that most people choose not to have health care insurance? I'm more of the understanding that most people don't have it, because they can't afford to pay for it. Now that I can proves with documented facts.

You trust insurance companies not to work together behind the scenes fixing prices and setting standards for pre-existing condition applicants? They do that now, that's why premiums are "collectively" so high. You think because they do it across state lines that it'll be any cheaper?

Insurance companies need real competition outside of their realm of control, period. As with any other company, why should they go without competitors?

They only worry about it when they're not the ones in power doing all the spending. Like you said, they always spend big and you don't hear a peep out of any of them. And you certainly don't hear anything from their constituency, who get all their information from Faux News without researching nor second-guessing any of it. Only when the other party inherits the mess is when their eyes finally open. It would be funny if it wasn't so embarrassing that outside nations see just how pathetic we've become.

Insurance regulation is a state responsibility. Allowing interstate purchases of insurance would put regulation in the hands of the federal government.

Furthermore, capitalism most certainly is working within state lines. Health insurance companies are exempt from anti-trust law, and as we can see, without government regulation, capitalistic enterprises will seek monopoly.

that is somthing that should be looked into as well, but we really don't need the govt. to provide insurance either. it is not their job to take care of us. there does need to be reform of some kind but the govt. needs to stay out of it, they can't run anything in the black

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It's funny, because I actually checked this out a few weeks ago.

I'm Canadian. We have Universal Healthcare. Here's what you need to know about a comparison between our healthcare system, and yours.

1. We pay less per capita. Americans paid approx. $6,714 (in standardized international dollars) in 2006. Canadians paid approx. $3,672.

(*used the WHOSIS search for these.)

2. We have a lower infant mortality rate in Canada with 5 per 1000 births, compared to 7 in the United States.

3. We have a lower under-5 mortality rate (probability of dying before age 5) in Canada with 6 deaths per 1000 live births, compare to The United States with 8.

4. We have a lower adult mortality rate (probability of dying between 15 and 60) in Canada with 72 per 1000 people, compared to the United States 109.

5. We have a longer healthy life expectancy in Canada at birth with 70(m)/74(f) compared to the United States 67(m)/71(f).

So even though you're spending more per capita, you seem to be getting less, doesn't it? In fact you are. The RAND Corporation reported in 2004 that in general, Americans are receiving substandard care.

Nevermind that, even the most conservative studies find that at least 35 million Americans are uninsured (some will say as high as 85 million).

Well, they should go get jobs you say. Yes, they should. Except that Employer Funded Health Insurance Premiums are rising faster than inflation. In 2007 they went up 6.1%, and since 2001, Healthcare Premiums for families has gone up 78%, while inflation has gone up 19%. This obviously, makes it less feasible for employers to hire more staff, especially if applicants have a pre-existing health condition (and I won't get into the horror stories of what qualifies as a pre-existing condition nowadays). Is it possible that this is contributing to your employment problems?

We just don't face the same issues in Canada. Do we have to wait a little longer to get service? Sometimes, it depends on your condition. Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? Yeah, you may have to wait. A Heart Attack will get you right into the ER. But realistically, that's going to happen when you ensure that everybody has access to healthcare. I don't believe in improving my waiting times, by shutting 15% of the people out of hospitals altogether. And frankly, in the end, the statistics speak for themselves.

All I'm saying is that this system has been pretty good for us. It has its problems, sure. But not like yours does. I'm not saying you need to get universal healthcare. I certainly don't want you to. That would be bad for Canada. But what are the alternate solutions right now? You have a huge problem, and you don't want to fix it? I'm sorry, that's ridiculous.

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"God-deniers are not delightful souls! Go where you will throughout the world, when you find them you will not want to abide with them, and it would be difficult for God Himself to brook them." - Dr. William Bell Riley, Atheism is the Enemy of Civilization - 1917

"Yes, you are outsiders. Go start your own damn country. This one was started by Christians, you puerile dimwits." - Mary Kochan, You Whiny Sniveling Little Atheists Are Pathetic! - 2011

Such eloquence.

I have a question. Do you have insurance, how much do you pay for it, and how much coverage do you have?

Well, they CHOSE not to be born into a wealthy family. Just ask some of our resident free-marketeers.