How concerned were you about our "crippling debt" when Bush was in office? And you're big fat liar, because Obama and his people have not only said over and over that no public funds will pay for abortions, it's stipulated in the bill. What, you don't believe them? Why?
Please, many of us here read the facts and we factcheck everything, EVERYTHING. So when you make you claims that go against what the government is telling us, then you need to come with some kind of proof.
Exactly... Ironically the Republican presidents of the past 40 years or so have increased the debt much much more than their counterparts. yet Republicans claim to be the ones to be worried about that debt?
If by government run you mean they collect the dues and then bid them out to private companies who compete for the business, then sure.
The biggest problem is people aren't paying dues. A lot of the people without insurance choose not to have it.
Do you have any documented proof that most people choose not to have health care insurance? I'm more of the understanding that most people don't have it, because they can't afford to pay for it. Now that I can proves with documented facts.
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what would be wrong with letting capitalism work, and allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines?
You trust insurance companies not to work together behind the scenes fixing prices and setting standards for pre-existing condition applicants? They do that now, that's why premiums are "collectively" so high. You think because they do it across state lines that it'll be any cheaper?
Insurance companies need real competition outside of their realm of control, period. As with any other company, why should they go without competitors?
Exactly... Ironically the Republican presidents of the past 40 years or so have increased the debt much much more than their counterparts. yet Republicans claim to be the ones to be worried about that debt?
They only worry about it when they're not the ones in power doing all the spending. Like you said, they always spend big and you don't hear a peep out of any of them. And you certainly don't hear anything from their constituency, who get all their information from Faux News without researching nor second-guessing any of it. Only when the other party inherits the mess is when their eyes finally open. It would be funny if it wasn't so embarrassing that outside nations see just how pathetic we've become.
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what would be wrong with letting capitalism work, and allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines?
Insurance regulation is a state responsibility. Allowing interstate purchases of insurance would put regulation in the hands of the federal government.
Furthermore, capitalism most certainly is working within state lines. Health insurance companies are exempt from anti-trust law, and as we can see, without government regulation, capitalistic enterprises will seek monopoly.
Insurance regulation is a state responsibility. Allowing interstate purchases of insurance would put regulation in the hands of the federal government.
Furthermore, capitalism most certainly is working within state lines. Health insurance companies are exempt from anti-trust law, and as we can see, without government regulation, capitalistic enterprises will seek monopoly.
that is somthing that should be looked into as well, but we really don't need the govt. to provide insurance either. it is not their job to take care of us. there does need to be reform of some kind but the govt. needs to stay out of it, they can't run anything in the black
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2. We have a lower infant mortality rate in Canada with 5 per 1000 births, compared to 7 in the United States.
3. We have a lower under-5 mortality rate (probability of dying before age 5) in Canada with 6 deaths per 1000 live births, compare to The United States with 8.
4. We have a lower adult mortality rate (probability of dying between 15 and 60) in Canada with 72 per 1000 people, compared to the United States 109.
5. We have a longer healthy life expectancy in Canada at birth with 70(m)/74(f) compared to the United States 67(m)/71(f).
Nevermind that, even the most conservative studies find that at least 35 million Americans are uninsured (some will say as high as 85 million).
Well, they should go get jobs you say. Yes, they should. Except that Employer Funded Health Insurance Premiums are rising faster than inflation. In 2007 they went up 6.1%, and since 2001, Healthcare Premiums for families has gone up 78%, while inflation has gone up 19%. This obviously, makes it less feasible for employers to hire more staff, especially if applicants have a pre-existing health condition (and I won't get into the horror stories of what qualifies as a pre-existing condition nowadays). Is it possible that this is contributing to your employment problems?
We just don't face the same issues in Canada. Do we have to wait a little longer to get service? Sometimes, it depends on your condition. Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? Yeah, you may have to wait. A Heart Attack will get you right into the ER. But realistically, that's going to happen when you ensure that everybody has access to healthcare. I don't believe in improving my waiting times, by shutting 15% of the people out of hospitals altogether. And frankly, in the end, the statistics speak for themselves.
All I'm saying is that this system has been pretty good for us. It has its problems, sure. But not like yours does. I'm not saying you need to get universal healthcare. I certainly don't want you to. That would be bad for Canada. But what are the alternate solutions right now? You have a huge problem, and you don't want to fix it? I'm sorry, that's ridiculous.
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We all have to call and write our Senators and House Reps to stop a government take over of our health care system that the majority of Americans opposse. We will end up paying more and getting less. Also, Obama, Pelosi and Reid would like Christians like us to pay for abortions. To put it bluntly, they will take money from our pay checks to kill babies. Obama and his liberal cronies are sick in the head.
I have a question. Do you have insurance, how much do you pay for it, and how much coverage do you have?
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Do you have any documented proof that most people choose not to have health care insurance? I'm more of the understanding that most people don't have it, because they can't afford to pay for it. Now that I can proves with documented facts.
Well, they CHOSE not to be born into a wealthy family. Just ask some of our resident free-marketeers.
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