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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Edial  If plainly unscriptural behavior is openly approved of by a leadership ... and people that claim to be followers of Scriptures decide to stay ... it appears to me they simply like their social circle they call "church" and afraid of splits more than doing what is right.
I came from an atheist background.
At that time, to me church was something one goes at Christmas to show respect to historical Jesus.
That's all. 
I had other social clubs. Church was never one of them.
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I joined to respond to this post. I have to say that the whole recent decision by the ELCA really rankled me, and I considered leaving. However, I have not because my pastors have been absolutely excellent folks, and the congregation is incredibly caring. Over the past few years I have stepped into positions of leadership with Youth Ministry, and Outreach, and do not want to leave my duty derelict. These are things that take time to work yourself into.
I'm not happy with the ELCA, but I'm perfectly happy with my church. Why cut all those ties? I too, came from an athiest background. Not by my own choosing, but my dad's. He fell out of the church, and it deeply hurt my grandmother who was a devout Lutheran (LCMS). She had wanted for him to enter the clergy. Early-on in college I found my way seeking for something deeper, and returned to the church I had been baptized at and where my cousins used to go. They really helped me find Christ, and to the point where I am strongly considering Seminary. (Ironic!)
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4th November 2009, 04:14 PM
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4th November 2009, 04:42 PM
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Reps: 1,612,666,477,859,490,560 (power: 1,612,666,477,859,519) | | Originally Posted by laxster I joined to respond to this post. I have to say that the whole recent decision by the ELCA really rankled me, and I considered leaving. However, I have not because my pastors have been absolutely excellent folks, and the congregation is incredibly caring. Over the past few years I have stepped into positions of leadership with Youth Ministry, and Outreach, and do not want to leave my duty derelict. These are things that take time to work yourself into.
I'm not happy with the ELCA, but I'm perfectly happy with my church. Why cut all those ties? I too, came from an athiest background. Not by my own choosing, but my dad's. He fell out of the church, and it deeply hurt my grandmother who was a devout Lutheran (LCMS). She had wanted for him to enter the clergy. Early-on in college I found my way seeking for something deeper, and returned to the church I had been baptized at and where my cousins used to go. They really helped me find Christ, and to the point where I am strongly considering Seminary. (Ironic!)
I just couldn't cut all that off. I'd rather work to change things from within.
Sure. It's up to you.
My only plea is for people that call themselves conservatives in that area, not to keep quiet so not to rock the boat.
Others, that look at the Scriptures as something that could be explained away, let them believe what they believe.
But the "silent majority" that believes the Bible is who dilutes Biblical Christianity.
... the other guys are not silent at all.
Look what they did.
They embrassed Lutheranism for ALL to see and for non Christians to argue that's what God "approves".
Utter shame.
Welcome To TCL, by the way.
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10th November 2009, 12:45 PM
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10th November 2009, 01:26 PM
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Somehow, they need to hear the Truth, because God knows they're not getting it from their synod.
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10th November 2009, 01:27 PM
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Reps: 11,734,899,034,501 (power: 11,734,899,040) | | Originally Posted by TheCosmicGospel This person should be limited to an ELCA site for displaying what is provocative and offensive to conservative Lutherans. I consider this intimidation and counterproductive to have "pro choice christian" in my face.
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Pro Choice Christian....lol, seriously though she'll have to stay in the ELCA forum to display that funny stuff. 
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10th November 2009, 06:15 PM
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Reps: 168,356,609,339,956,864 (power: 168,356,609,339,963) | | Originally Posted by PreachersWife2004 I for one don't want to scare ELCA people away.
Somehow, they need to hear the Truth, because God knows they're not getting it from their synod.
Seeing as how I have in the past expressed agreement with everything she is getting kicked around for right now, it probably doesn't come as a surprise that this looks like an out of control feeding frenzy to me. Conservatives do so love to hate. That doesn't strike me as the best expression of Christian virtue.
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Reps: 266,877,656,786,866,816 (power: 266,877,656,786,880) | | Originally Posted by LutheranMafia Seeing as how I have in the past expressed agreement with everything she is getting kicked around for right now, it probably doesn't come as a surprise that this looks like an out of control feeding frenzy to me. Conservatives do so love to hate. That doesn't strike me as the best expression of Christian virtue.
And liberals so love to throw the word hate around when conservatives talk about Truth.
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