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29th October 2009, 06:50 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,820) | | Originally Posted by wayseer  No - they are NOT commands at all. They are ONLY commands to those who look to beat themselves to a pulp or other people over the head. Commands are instruments of torture.
Paul makes this clear in Romans - not matter how good you get at keeping commands you will fail - the works of 'command keeping' are dead. You are free of the cage. Enjoy the freedom.
'Neither bind others to that which you cannot do yourself.'
It is now spiritual laws of the commandments, in which we are to see more like lust in the heart in the adultery law. Yeshua amplified its application.
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29th October 2009, 07:06 PM
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Reps: 342,140,351,767,773 (power: 342,140,351,776) | | Originally Posted by wayseer No - they are NOT commands at all. They are ONLY commands to those who look to beat themselves to a pulp or other people over the head. Commands are instruments of torture.
Oh? And what logic do you use to say that we shouldn't follow the Bible? Paul makes this clear in Romans - not matter how good you get at keeping commands you will fail - the works of 'command keeping' are dead. You are free of the cage. Enjoy the freedom.
'Neither bind others to that which you cannot do yourself.'
So, I can go right on breaking them, then. If the commands bring death, then I shouldn't follow them.
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Reps: 342,140,351,767,773 (power: 342,140,351,776) | | Originally Posted by wayseer We are NOT going in the 'direction of sin' at all.
Sure we stumble, we trip, we make mistakes - but that is what we are doing - making mistakes. Mistakes are acceptable to God - I have that on good authority.
I urge you to look at the verse cited before you post such things.
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Reps: 416,617,700,174,524,864 (power: 416,617,700,174,543) | | Originally Posted by wayseer We are NOT going in the 'direction of sin' at all.
Sure we stumble, we trip, we make mistakes - but that is what we are doing - making mistakes. Mistakes are acceptable to God - I have that on good authority.
Did you read Acts 2:38 before you posted this? It's talking about conversion, not to Christians... to noobs, not regulars.
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dir="ltr"> "Offense" is something TAKEN. No one MAKES anyone feel anything. IF we are offended by something, we CHOSE to be offended by it...
But I think that OFTEN, people confuse discussion with fighting. Disagreeing is not personal, it is not an attack, it is not disrespectful or flaming, it is not offensive per se. It ONLY means, "I disagree." Nothing more. Nothing less. It suggests NO emotional response whatsoever.
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Reps: 342,140,351,767,773 (power: 342,140,351,776) | | Originally Posted by Yarddog We agree on this, now in what manner are we going to stop going in the direction of sin.
By following the principles of morality in the Bible, of course.
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29th October 2009, 07:14 PM
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How are we able to follow these principles of morality? |
29th October 2009, 07:34 PM
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Reps: 342,140,351,767,773 (power: 342,140,351,776) | | Originally Posted by Yarddog How are we able to follow these principles of morality?
Isaiah 40:31
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29th October 2009, 07:54 PM
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Now where did I say that one should NOT follow the Bible? Do not read into my post you own agenda. So, I can go right on breaking them, then. If the commands bring death, then I shouldn't follow them.
Yeah - if that's you bag, go for it. What's stopping you? Oh, you might inflict pain on someone - that you would not like the same done to you. Come off the grass and get real - we don't do things just because it's a 'command' - we do things because of other concerns.
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Reps: 294,981,184,141,909,888 (power: 294,981,184,141,920) | | Originally Posted by visionary It is now spiritual laws of the commandments, in which we are to see more like lust in the heart in the adultery law. Yeshua amplified its application.
Oh goody - another stick with which to beat yourself.
Jesus was not talking about added additional burdens on us. He was demonstrating a point to those, the Pharisees, who demanded that we must keep 'commands' by pointing out their hypocrisy.
But, Hey - don't let me stop you beating yourself up.
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