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This is only if our dating method is accurate.
Which they are.

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Originally Posted by Baggins View Post
As I have posted many times one single picture can refute YEC
Please tell me how that picture 'refutes' YEC.

Better yet, explain how natural uniformitarianism refutes divine catastrophism.

How long did it take the oceans of this world to reach its current level?

Longer than that chalk?

Then I submit that if God can "heap" ocean water to its current level in one yoctosecond, He can most certainly "heap" that "tiny bit" of chalk together with no problem.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Please tell me how that picture 'refutes' YEC.

Better yet, explain how natural uniformitarianism refutes divine catastrophism.

How long did it take the oceans of this world to reach its current level?

Longer than that chalk?

Then I submit that if God can "heap" ocean water to its current level in one yoctosecond, He can most certainly "heap" that "tiny bit" of chalk together with no problem.
Unless natural processes prove otherwise.

Anhhh, nevermind...
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Then I submit that if God can "heap" ocean water to its current level in one yoctosecond, He can most certainly "heap" that "tiny bit" of chalk together with no problem.

Logical fallacy. God-of-the-Gaps and violation of parsimony.

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Originally Posted by laconicstudent View Post
Logical fallacy. God-of-the-Gaps and violation of parsimony.
Ain't that a pity?
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Ain't that a pity?

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Originally Posted by Doveaman View Post
So how did we arrive at a date for the "earliest times".
You mean, how did we get the figure of 4.54 billion years? Mainly by extra-terrestrial sources: namely, meteorites. Since they formed are pretty much the same time as the Earth and everything else in the Solar System, their age is a very good indicator of the Earth's age. There are a great many meteor fragments on Earth, which we have dated to 4.54 billion years old.

This method also corroborates nicely with the other methods we have, such as dating Moon rocks (which would be as old as the Moon itself, and hence as old as the Earth), giving us an age of 4.4-4.5 billion years.

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So the earth could be older than 4.6 billion years then?
Yep, though probably not that much older.
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Logical fallacy. God-of-the-Gaps and violation of parsimony.
It's irrational, but I don't see how it's illogical. God-of-the-gaps is an ad hoc, but not necessarily flawed, piece of logic. And parsimony refers to simplicity and probability; being unparsimonious doesn't disprove an argument outright.
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You mean, how did we get the figure of 4.54 billion years? Mainly by extra-terrestrial sources: namely, meteorites.
I thought it was from Zircon, the oldest mineral [?] on the planet.
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