Is an adult snake evidence that the snake grew to adulthood, or could the snake have become an adult without having grown?
Depends, is there any evidence on the snake that it has grown to adulthood? Anything from scars to behavioual traits? If so this is a false histroy. It's not say that the snake couldn't have been created that way, as an omnipotent deity is more than capable of doing that. But you have to wonder about why. Same with the earth - there is a plentiful history going right back 4.6 billion years.
__________________ Boku o mitte, boku o mitte
Boku no naka de, kaibutsu ga okii narimashita
- Namae nai no Kaibutsu, Kaus Poppe
Little Miss 1665 her soul remains unclaimed.
Guess she must have really sinned now
- The Offspring, Jennifer Lost the War.
Depends, is there any evidence on the snake that it has grown to adulthood? Anything from scars
No scars.
to behavioual traits?
Baby traits.
Same with the earth - there is a plentiful history going right back 4.6 billion years.
This is only if our dating method is accurate.
__________________ And God said, "Let there be light" and there was light. And God saw the light was good... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
It takes more faith to believe the universe happened by chance than to believe it happened by God.- Doveaman
...
This is only if our dating method is accurate.
if our dating methods are accurate
If the World is 4.6 billion years old then many aspects of the planet will show evidence of being operational for very long periods, some could go right out to 4.6 billion years.
Dating methods that indicate ages in excess of the Biblical start of 4008 BC:
The hydrogen/helium ratio in the Universe is around 75% / 25% in many places as it has been from the start, though in some places stars have fused hydrogen into helium. In the centre of our sun a lot of helium has accumulated while the outside is at the primordial value. The amount of helium accumulated indicates an age of 4.6 billion years. If the sun was running a lot faster to make the helium faster it would have destroyed the Earth.
Were the fossils deposited by the Flood? No, there could never have been that amount of stuff alive at the same time, nor would you expect it to separate itself out into layers of warm sea fossils, cold sea fossils and land fossils etc the way fossil beds are arranged if it was all flood deposits.
The house I lived in was sitting on fossils, nothing else, and the sediment of dead ocean life at that point was 400 hundred metres thick and there are accumulations like that covering a substantial part of the ocean floor, in other words I wasn't on a part magically scraped together, but it is representative of the sedimentation rate. There are ancient structures on these South Downs so they haven't been accumulating since Stonehenge was built for example.
Ice cores show seasonal bands, some containing substantial dust from times with high winds back around the ice ages, and these cores go back up to 900,000 years
They are. We have multiple methods to date the Earth which use a variety of unrelated physical phenomena. The oldest rocks on Earth date back to ~3.9 billion years ago, which, while not the true age of the Earth, nonetheless push it far beyond the claims of YEC.
__________________
A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone.
- Charles Darwin
"I am a scientist... when I find evidence that my theories are wrong, it is as exciting as if the evidence proved them right."
- Stargate: SG1
What can be asserted without reason, can be denied without reason.
- Anon
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
They are. We have multiple methods to date the Earth which use a variety of unrelated physical phenomena. The oldest rocks on Earth date back to ~3.9 billion years ago, which, while not the true age of the Earth
So the earth is older than its rocks, almost a billion years older? What was the earth made of during that first billion years?
__________________ And God said, "Let there be light" and there was light. And God saw the light was good... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
It takes more faith to believe the universe happened by chance than to believe it happened by God.- Doveaman
So the earth is older than its rocks, almost a billion years older? What was the earth made of during that first billion years?
You know when your third grade teacher told you there was no such thing as a dumb question?
She was lying.
For the record, when new igneous rock is formed, it "resets" the clock for dating.
__________________ "We can easily forgive a child that is afraid of the dark, the real tragedy is when people are afraid of the light"
-Plato
Last edited by Wedjat; 6th November 2009 at 12:44 AM.
So the earth is older than its rocks, almost a billion years older? What was the earth made of during that first billion years?
Pretty much the same stuff. But the rocks during its earliest days are long since destroyed; they are eroded by the weather, pulled into the mantle by subduction, etc. So few rocks remain from that earliest time. Nonetheless, we have found rocks which date back about 3.9 billion years, which is long enough to refute YECism.
__________________
A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone.
- Charles Darwin
"I am a scientist... when I find evidence that my theories are wrong, it is as exciting as if the evidence proved them right."
- Stargate: SG1
What can be asserted without reason, can be denied without reason.
- Anon
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
That gives us a reasonable idea of the age of the 108m of chalk - between 3-27 million years, and some areas of Chalk in Southern England are much thicker than that.
This method of falsification of YEC doesn't need independent radiometric measuring, just estimations of the volumes of green algae that a shallow warm sea can support and the physics of settling of tiny particles in sea water columns.
YEC is ridiculously easy to falsify which is why Christian geologists did it 200 years ago, the fact that some people can cling to such anti-science to shore up their faith is a very interesting example of how the human mind works.
As an aside the chalk cliffs also falsify a world wide flood that laid out the whole geological record because chalks would be impossible to form in turbulent, murky, water.
I don't know why I bother really, because no one who as actually stood in front of a large geological cliff section and thought about it, as James Hutton did 230 years ago, could possibly believe in YEC unless they also believe in a god that practiced deception on a grand scale.
__________________ A scientist, it's official
" The result, therefore, of this physical enquiry is that we find no vestige of a beginning, no prospect of an end" James Hutton, from his 1788 paper to the Royal Society of Edinburgh on the principles of geology
You know when your third grade teacher told you there was no such thing as a dumb question?
She was lying.
Thanks for the lesson. Very eye opening.
The earth was a ball of magma during the first billion years, then cooled and became solid 3.9 billion years ago. Thanks.
For the record, when new igneous rock is formed, it "resets" the clock for dating.
So the earth could be older than 4.6 billion years then?
__________________ And God said, "Let there be light" and there was light. And God saw the light was good... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
It takes more faith to believe the universe happened by chance than to believe it happened by God.- Doveaman
Pretty much the same stuff. But the rocks during its earliest days are long since destroyed; they are eroded by the weather, pulled into the mantle by subduction, etc. So few rocks remain from that earliest time.
So how did we arrive at a date for the "earliest times".
Nonetheless, we have found rocks which date back about 3.9 billion years, which is long enough to refute YECism.
I suppose.
__________________ And God said, "Let there be light" and there was light. And God saw the light was good... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
It takes more faith to believe the universe happened by chance than to believe it happened by God.- Doveaman
Linear Mode
