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Old 7th November 2009, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by curious-one View Post
There is abundant scripture describing actions and character of the Holy Spirit leading us to believe he is a person or being. There are a few scriptures equating the Holy Spirit to God. Jesus is equated to God.

There is not a single verse that explicitly states the Holy Spirit is a person, nor that God is a person. There is not a verse that explicitly states that God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are three persons in one entity. Why doesn't scripture command us to worship the Spirit if he is God?

Personally, I believe the Trinity doctrine is the closest we can come to understanding the identity of God. I believe the doctrine, but I cannot wrap my mind around the idea of three persons sharing one entity. It seems contradictory. It's a concept humans can't fully understand, and I accept that.

Here's my problem: even though I believe in the Trinity, I don't know if it should be considered a heresy to reject it. If it is such an important issue, why didn't God make it crystal clear for us to understand?

I appreciate all thoughts and responses--thank you.

Read Psalms 82 then to really get confused. The one that calls the prophets "gods".

Yet it also says that they are not perfect. That they are given divinity, but have to uphold what is right and reject what is wrong.

Paul points out when Christ defeats all enemies, then Christ will be subjected to God.

Jesus is by whom we know God, the Gateway, the Door. He 'alone comes from Heaven' to connect us to God as true children of God. Jesus should consume you, He is meant to be your teacher, the one you follow to strive to be like.

Doctrines are things to consider. If they hurt your faith, then move on. The Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Jesus are all equated in Scripture. I think there is more to the trinity, not less. Part of that more is to not see yourself confined as someone who is meant to be no child of God, but someone who is meant to be more of a child of God.
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Kiss Homoousious would get you branded as a heretic...

Originally Posted by heymikey80 View Post
Did you know that, prior to Nicea, asserting "homoousios" would get you branded a heretic? Yet afterward it was orthodoxy.
No...I didn't know this and I still don't know this. Please substantiate
this assertion with historical references so we can check this assertion
as being a valid one.
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Originally Posted by Breckmin View Post
No...I didn't know this and I still don't know this. Please substantiate
this assertion with historical references so we can check this assertion
as being a valid one.
Sure. Check out the Synods of Antioch in the mid-200's.
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