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27th October 2009, 07:34 PM
| | | Originally Posted by ebia My understanding was that someone who is homosexual is considered disordered and therefore ineligable. I'm sure there are plenty of bishops that ignore that in practice - if only for the practical difficulties it presents, but...
Maybe. I tried to research it and the only official thing I could find was the document itself. There are then multiple Bishops with multiple different interpretations of what it means. The only thing they all have in common was that they have the latitude to apply what the document says to each case. | 
28th October 2009, 05:16 AM
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Liberal hypocricy at its finest. Celebate Gay = Bad. Gay in leather chaps parading down the street = Good.
I strongly disagree. I am a liberal and a proud member of the religious left at that and I see nothing wrong with homosexuals who choose to be celibate. I also see nothing wrong with gay pride parades. Originally Posted by longhair75 I sincerely hope that our brothers and sisters in the TAC find the spiritual home they seek in reunion with Rome.
I also hope the same. Originally Posted by ebia My understanding was that someone who is homosexual is considered disordered and therefore ineligable. I'm sure there are plenty of bishops that ignore that in practice - if only for the practical difficulties it presents, but...
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church: Originally Posted by Catechism of the Catholic Church 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
Source: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2357 Originally Posted by Catechism of the Catholic Church 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
Source: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2358
So yes, the Catholic Church does view homosexuality as objectively disordered. It also views homosexual acts as intrinsically disordered. | 
28th October 2009, 05:27 AM
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I also hope the same.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
Source: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2357
Source: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2358
So yes, the Catholic Church does view homosexuality as objectively disordered. It also views homosexual acts as intrinsically disordered.
Indeed. The question is, does the inclination bar one from the Catholic priesthood? Avoiding the unkind jokes, it surely would be an issue for FiF.
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28th October 2009, 05:41 AM
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Well, I honestly don't know if the inclination bars one from the Catholic priesthood or not. That said, who/what is FiF? | 
28th October 2009, 05:36 PM
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Forward in Faith. The association representing Anglicans in Communion with Canterbury who are at the Catholic end and opposed to women priests.
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28th October 2009, 08:35 PM
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OH ok. Thanks Ebia. | 
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