Personally, this "enemy" concept makes me wonder: why does God create - literally as well as conceptionally - so many enemies?
With "intelligent" beings - be they angels, humans or whatever - there is at least a potential explanation: the famed "free will" (Though that has other problems.)
But can "nature" decide to rebel? Has it "free will"?
AV once asserted that "nature" started to collapse - entropy and all that - after God withdraw his stabilizing influence after the Fall. But according to creationism, "nature" is God´s own creation - everything in it, including the governing laws. Why would God`s creation turn against him, depending on his actions or inactions? Why would God create a "nature" at all that would "decay", if he didn´t want to?
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As to the OP: some people held their views as more important than... well, anything! So if something disagree with their views, it must be wrong, evil, the enemy. And some people have this curious view of a creation that does disagree with science.
Hence there can be no peace between them and "science".
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How many times have you had to be corrected on this?
If the math is used to create a false picture of the universe and people believe it then the math can be considered believable even though wrong since the false picture created is based on the math.
I also find it mildly ironic that you make this claim when you haven't even attempted to put a single math-based argument forward relating to the Big Bang theory.
That’s because the real universe isn’t built on math. And in the real universe there is no big bang.
I don't need math to know that. I just have to look around. I have never seen "nothing" go "bang".
Am I to believe that "once upon a time nothing went bang"?
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As to the OP: some people held their views as more important than... well, anything! So if something disagree with their views, it must be wrong, evil, the enemy.
This works both ways, I'm sure.
And some people have this curious view of a creation that does disagree with science.
Yes, I'm very much aware of that, sadly.
Hence there can be no peace between them and "science".
Not all who are religious hold such unscientific views of creation.
All that may be needed is a correct understanding of religion (Christianity) and a correct understanding of science and we all would get along just fine.
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If the math is used to create a false picture of the universe and people believe it then the math can be considered believable even though wrong since the false picture created is based on the math. That’s because the real universe isn’t built on math. And in the real universe there is no big bang.
I don't need math to know that. I just have to look around. I have never seen "nothing" go "bang".
Am I to believe that "once upon a time nothing went bang"?
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If the math is used to create a false picture of the universe and people believe it then the math can be considered believable even though wrong since the false picture created is based on the math.
No offence to "people", but something isn't considered believable because "people" think it is. In the scientific world, it's analysed, tested etc - not merely "believed".
And if the math is hard to understand, there's nothing to stop "people" from looking it analytically rather than "believing" it - that is just laziness.
That’s because the real universe isn’t built on math.
Excuse me, who said anything about the universe? I'm saying YOU need to provide a mathematical reason why the math is all wrong (hint - there's a lot of it) for the Big Bang theory if you want your statement to be even remotely justified. Get cracking!
And in the real universe there is no big bang.
Evidence pls!
I don't need math to know that. I just have to look around. I have never seen "nothing" go "bang".
Am I to believe that "once upon a time nothing went bang"?
You have been told this before.
It WASN'T nothing. It WASN'T a bang.
Honestly, this repeated tendency to return to your earlier strawmen is about as bad as that of conflating science with faith.
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God intends nature to be our friend --- instead, it is our enemy --- killing us in the end.
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That's a pretty good summation.
Really? Then perhaps you can explain why science is wrong if it it accurately describes how death and decay are indeed part of nature. AVET cannot answer that question, since it would force him to reconsider one of his little pet paradigms (Science is bad because it describes nature and nature is bad) and we can't have that now can we??
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No offence to "people", but something isn't considered believable because "people" think it is. In the scientific world, it's analysed, tested etc - not merely "believed".
It WASN'T nothing. It WASN'T a bang.
So was Fr. Lemaitre big bang mathematical calculations wrong, because many certainly believed it?
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