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Old 26th October 2009, 10:54 AM
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The Holocaust Never Happened

Disclaimer: In neither video does the subject turn towards anti-religion. He actually says in the beginning that he has "done that book and got the T-shirt".



Whole video (much better):

FORA.tv - Richard Dawkins: The Greatest Show on Earth


I have been saying for years that there is no difference between a creationist and a holocaust denier and since being here I have even found a few who reject both.
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Old 26th October 2009, 02:53 PM
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"since being here I have even found a few who reject both."

by which you mean evolution and the holocaust?
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Old 26th October 2009, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by random325nicaea View Post
"since being here I have even found a few who reject both."

by which you mean evolution and the holocaust?
That's how I read the statement; the other way doesn't make sense.
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Ehhh...personally I think he should stick to his languages analogy. It's a better analogy and makes the point without running the same risk of alienating people further.
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I'm of the general opinion that Dawkins is overly blunt and kind of a jerk. But he's an overly blunt jerk that I agree with.
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Originally Posted by Wedjat View Post
I'm of the general opinion that Dawkins is overly blunt and kind of a jerk. But he's an overly blunt jerk that I agree with.
True enough... but I agree he makes a very good point in the video.
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Old 28th October 2009, 07:24 AM
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Can't Dawkins think of anything original to say? This poorly made analogy had already been proposed in Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things.
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Originally Posted by marlowe007 View Post
Can't Dawkins think of anything original to say? This poorly made analogy had already been proposed in Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things.
Tell us why you think it is a poor analogy.
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Who is this Richard Dawkins that everyone seems to like on Youtube?

Is he a Christian, a Jew, or a gentile?
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Originally Posted by Split Rock View Post
Tell us why you think it is a poor analogy.
Because it's paradoxically ironic in light of the fact that most Holocaust deniers (erm, Bobby Fischer was one) usually equate the Holocaust with creationism itself, seeing them both as Jewish religious mythologies. Moreover, there are no creationists in jail because of their views about biology.

Incidentally, there's far more documented evidence for the Holocaust than for macroevolution:

Goebbels diaries, March 27, 1942
Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government are now being evacuated eastward. The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only about 40 per cent can be used for forced labour.
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