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26th October 2009, 03:03 AM
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Someone told me gay marriage is one of the ways the government is bending societal norms by messing with basic language. Sort of like how the military is said to 'pacify' and area by killing everyone in it. Calling marriage between men the same as between a man and a woman changes the meaning of marriage.
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26th October 2009, 03:27 AM
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Reps: 21,124,454,843,429,512 (power: 21,124,454,843,460) | | | Yes, just like when the introduction of interracial marriage changed the meaning of marriage, and it was a conspiracy of the government for the purpose of bending societal norms by messing with basic language.
Someone told me that if the recognition of gay partnerships would be introduced under a different name, your someone would be opposed to it, either.
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26th October 2009, 04:11 AM
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And, of course, when they say army and navy, they mean spearmen and galleys, not mean carrying firearms or submarines and aircraft carriers.
Obviously we should not permit these egregious shifts in language, corrupting the traditional meanings of words.
Consider, for example, that there are people would take this post at face value, and not an exercise in irony.
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26th October 2009, 11:31 AM
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Reps: 18,563,956,112,384,120 (power: 18,563,956,112,400) | | Originally Posted by quatona  Yes, just like when the introduction of interracial marriage changed the meaning of marriage, and it was a conspiracy of the government for the purpose of bending societal norms by messing with basic language.
Someone told me that if the recognition of gay partnerships would be introduced under a different name, your someone would be opposed to it, either.
And just who did Moses marry? Who did Pocahontas marry? Where in the Bible is there recorced a "gay" marriage? Where 100 years ago is a "gay" marriage recorded and what was the name of the couple?
Just logic at work here... |
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Reps: 293,424,014,973,578,752 (power: 293,424,014,973,591) | | Originally Posted by LittleNipper And just who did Moses marry? Who did Pocahontas marry? Where in the Bible is there recorced a "gay" marriage? Where 100 years ago is a "gay" marriage recorded and what was the name of the couple?
Just logic at work here...
The logic being that things should never change? Or only the things that you personally are OK with changing?
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26th October 2009, 12:32 PM
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The logic being is that some things are evil and will always be so, and some things are subjective. God has informed us of the difference. |
26th October 2009, 12:41 PM
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Reps: 107,496,095,549,249,776 (power: 107,496,095,549,260) | | Originally Posted by Aianna Honestly it's probably closer to being out of 1964 than 1984. Let's be serious now granting homosexuals equal rights doesn't help the government control you in any way.
He was refering (poorly) to the book 1984.
Considering that the plotline revolves around an affair, and that it is obvious that the government is trying to restrict both sex and all close relationships I find it difficult to think that a liberalizing like gay marriage would fit.
Though in 1894 terms I'd have to admit that the OP is a a fair example of doublethink. |
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Reps: 273,058,856,457,603,328 (power: 273,058,856,457,625) | | Originally Posted by Autumnleaf Someone told me gay marriage is one of the ways the government is bending societal norms by messing with basic language. Sort of like how the military is said to 'pacify' and area by killing everyone in it. Calling marriage between men the same as between a man and a woman changes the meaning of marriage.
How? When Spain legalised gay marriage, how did that in any way change straight marriage? What exactly happened to the meaning of marriage when Spain passed that law?
Western marriage is the declaration to the state and to the public that two people are committing to each other. Extending this to same-sex couples doesn't change anything, just as extending it to interracial couples didn't change anything.
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26th October 2009, 04:26 PM
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Reps: 18,563,956,112,384,120 (power: 18,563,956,112,400) | | Originally Posted by Wiccan_Child How? When Spain legalised gay marriage, how did that in any way change straight marriage? What exactly happened to the meaning of marriage when Spain passed that law?
Western marriage is the declaration to the state and to the public that two people are committing to each other. Extending this to same-sex couples doesn't change anything, just as extending it to interracial couples didn't change anything.
It changed the meaning of marriage beyond a husband and his wife for purposes excluding procreation. | | |
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