You know a lot of people aren't made to swear on a Bible?
Yes, including some Christians, but that doesn't mean that it never happens or that a Bible isn't in a judge's personal library. One would hope that one would be anyway...
It's a philosophical idea that they are inalienable rights that cannot be taken away as they were established by a creator, yet history tells us that society is what establishes the rights and protects them.
No, history tells us that were people are not willing to assume personal responsibilities, governments grow to become socialist dictatorships that spells out what it's citizens must accept.
I'm Conservative, Polycarp1 is Christian. I know I've read 1984. If Poly comments on 1984 in a way that looks like he read it, I'd bet he has.
Of course neither of us has said anythign about 1984 that is backwards.
Well, I'm sorry for painting with a broad brush but the OP is hardly the first time I've seen someone with such views make an Orwell reference when it's clear that their position calls for the oppression of gay rights. It's maddening.
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Well, I'm sorry for painting with a broad brush but the OP is hardly the first time I've seen someone with such views make an Orwell reference when it's clear that their position calls for the oppression of gay rights. It's maddening.
"Gays" have the right to be whatever they want to be. They just don't have the right to live like a married heterosexual couple when they have chosen to be "gay."
"Gays" have the right to be whatever they want to be. They just don't have the right to live like a married heterosexual couple when they have chosen to be "gay."
They can do whatever they want, except what I say they can't.
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"Gays" have the right to be whatever they want to be. They just don't have the right to live like a married heterosexual couple when they have chosen to be "gay."
Which is exactly what I want. I want to be able to be with the one I love if he is in the hospital. I want all my possessions to go to him should I die. I want my benefits to cover him as well. If this and more were denied straight couples, you'd be decrying the injustice of it all. The fact that you hold this view clearly reveals your world-view as UNJUST.
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"Gays" have the right to be whatever they want to be. They just don't have the right to live like a married heterosexual couple when they have chosen to be "gay."
You assume that gay people choose to be gay. All the available data suggests otherwise.
David.
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"Gays" have the right to be whatever they want to be. They just don't have the right to live like a married heterosexual couple when they have chosen to be "gay."
No gay person chose to be that way. I mean, why would they? They severely diminish their prospects of finding love, they open themselves to all kinds of physical and mental abuse, and (if the Bible is to be believed) it's an abomination unto God! Why would anyone choose to do that?
But let's run with the argument. Let's assume that gay people really do make the active, concious choice to be sexually attracted to their own sex. So what? Why does that mean that two people of the same sex cannot marry?
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In regards to simply the title of the thread, I would say "gay marriage" is a far cry from anything in 1984, just saying.
But, anyway, I would say it not a way of the government "bending societal norms", given that the voters of an area are the ones who are able to make the end decision (in most cases, at least...such as Cali.), therefore, how can it be a bending of societal norms if society makes the decision.
If anything, it may show an overall change in norm opinion, yes, but not by government. Simply a progression due to varying cultural influences upon an ever changing community.
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Someone told me gay marriage is one of the ways the government is bending societal norms by messing with basic language. Sort of like how the military is said to 'pacify' and area by killing everyone in it. Calling marriage between men the same as between a man and a woman changes the meaning of marriage.
David and Solomon had multiple wives, and they were "married," so even saying, "only one man and one woman" changes the definition according to the bible. Claiming that it is a holy Christian institution changes the definition socially, since atheists have always been able to marry.
Is it something out of 1984? Have you read 1984?
Nineteen Eighty-Four (also 1984), by George Orwell, published in 1949, is a dystopian novel about the totalitarian régime of the Party, an oligarchical collectivist society where life in the Oceanian province of Airstrip One is a world of perpetual war, pervasive government surveillance, public mind control, and the voiding of citizens' rights. In the Ministry of Truth (Minitrue), protagonist Winston Smith is a civil servant responsible for perpetuating the Party's propaganda by revising historical records to render the Party omniscient and always correct, yet his meagre existence disillusions him into rebellion against Big Brother, which leads to his arrest, torture, and conversion.
Is it voiding citizen's rights by allowing two men or two women to be legally recognized and share all the legal benefits that a male/female couple do, or is it voiding citizen's rights by denying them to gay people?
Do Bush start a war that began in Afghanistan, moved to Iraq, and before he left, wanted to move to Iran, a war that began with the lie of "Weapons of Mass Destruction", and continues to be full of suspicion?
When Bush wanted to "ensure freedom" by making it legal to intercept citizens' phonecalls and emails, or encouraged citizens to report one another if they seemed to be a threat, not Big Brother's methods?
Is taking the subject of homosexuality, which we saw as a mental illness up until 1973, and then look at Leviticus, and claim that same-sex orientation that we understand today was exactly what the passage is talking about, despite the scholars that suggest it may have referred to male temple prostitution, not DoubleSpeak?
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