Is christianty reasonable and logical?

super animator · #1 25th October 2009, 06:52 PM

This question just recently pop into my head. Why should we defend something that we consider to be illogical or/and unreasonable? Can Christianity be defend? Why believe in a god? At least half of here Apparently, can't defend Christianity very well. (no offense)
My faith is incredibly decreasing and I becoming more skeptical by each minute.

LamorakDesGalis · #2 25th October 2009, 07:09 PM

Sometimes Christians aren't reasonable, but Christianity itself is reasonable. Do you have a church community or group that you attend? You might want to ask them these same questions - they are able to minister in ways that semi-anonymous forum responses could not.

I would recommend a book by James Sire called The Universe Next Door. It compares the Christian worldview with other major worldviews including naturalism, deism, nihilism, and existentialism. Its excellent for comparing the differences between the views. I had both my teenage sons read it.

LDG

Standing Up · #3 25th October 2009, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by super animator

This question just recently pop into my head. Why should we defend something that we consider to be illogical or/and unreasonable? Can Christianity be defend? Why believe in a god? At least half of here Apparently, can't defend Christianity very well. (no offense)
My faith is incredibly decreasing and I becoming more skeptical by each minute.

I find Christianity or more precisely what God says in His Word guided by the Holy Spirit and then talking with others extremely logical, consistent, and reasonable. This did take some time though. Go through Heb. 6:1-2 and answer those 7 fundamentals.

But yes, there are numerous schisms in Christianity and that, to me, appears unreasonable. If one traces it back, however, we can find some very interesting things that happened along the way pre 325.

Anyway, there are martyrs of the faith and if you read some of their accounts, they were thoroughly convinced of God, His Son, and Spirit.

Joveia · #4 25th October 2009, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by super animator

This question just recently pop into my head. Why should we defend something that we consider to be illogical or/and unreasonable? Can Christianity be defend? Why believe in a god? At least half of here Apparently, can't defend Christianity very well. (no offense)
My faith is incredibly decreasing and I becoming more skeptical by each minute.

When I first became a Christian I felt similar to this because I just didn't understand how stuff like the trinity, atonement, incarnation, etc. worked. Then my perspective changed one day when I had to do an essay on free will. The reading I did convinced me that it's a paradox how anyone can do otherwise than they just did, and a majority of philosophers think that sort of free will is impossible. Then one day I decided that even though I couldn't understand it, free will might still exist, because an 'alternative' logical system could be operating regarding the soul/image of God. I think that at some point one needs to make a leap of faith and say that even though it doesn't make sense, an alternative logic is operating regarding some Christian doctrines, which although it doesn't make sense works in God's reality or something like that.

ittarter · #5 25th October 2009, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by super animator

This question just recently pop into my head. Why should we defend something that we consider to be illogical or/and unreasonable? Can Christianity be defend? Why believe in a god? At least half of here Apparently, can't defend Christianity very well. (no offense)
My faith is incredibly decreasing and I becoming more skeptical by each minute.

This is a question that fulls under the category of "philosophy of religion."

Is religion, or Christianity specifically, logical? Does it defy logic? Or is it "super-logical"?

Does Christianity need to follow modern logical suppositions to be worthy of our adherence?

I wouldn't worry about your faith decreasing. If a forum like this is making a ship-wreck of your faith, it probably wasn't very sturdy to begin with. Hopefully what is built in its place will be hardier

Jazmyn · #6 25th October 2009, 08:51 PM

From a sheerly worldly perpspective, some of the tenets of Christianity are unreasonable.

"'You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matt. 5:38-42)

To the world, that's doing something for nothing in return. To a Christian, that's doing something because God did the same for you. To the world, that's something in return for nothing, to a Christian, it's nothing in return for everything.

If you were talking about the miracles and things, would Jesus really have had such an impact on the world had He not been a very special person? He was not a warlord, unlike many other things that have had significant impact on history, early Christianity, and all the missionary trips throughout history, weren't spread by violence. It was spread by choice, even in circumstances where conversion meant death. Have people staked their whole lives on any other thing so readily?

Look objectively at the gospels, do the apostles writing to you sound like people who would lie to you?
"We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." (2 Peter 1:16)

"This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true." (John 21:24)

Evidence for God is all around you, everything is because God caused it to be. You youself are evidence for God, you are more than chemical reactions.

Sounds like you need some prayer, I'll pray for your faith.

Jaws13 · #7 25th October 2009, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by super animator

This question just recently pop into my head. Why should we defend something that we consider to be illogical or/and unreasonable? Can Christianity be defend? Why believe in a god? At least half of here Apparently, can't defend Christianity very well. (no offense)
My faith is incredibly decreasing and I becoming more skeptical by each minute.

I can defend my faith just fine, and I believe faith has a basis in fact. Question away, I'd be more than happy to answer you.

wayseer · #8 26th October 2009, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by super animator

This question just recently pop into my head. Why should we defend something that we consider to be illogical or/and unreasonable? Can Christianity be defend? Why believe in a god? At least half of here Apparently, can't defend Christianity very well. (no offense)
My faith is incredibly decreasing and I becoming more skeptical by each minute.

You are not alone in your thoughts - why would anyone want to defend what now laughingly passes as 'Christianity'?.

The way in which Christianity is presented today is little short of embarrassing.

This is the 21st century - not the 1st. People demand responses. The mainstream church flounders around still anchored to the past while the fundamentalists advertise on every media outlet that they have all the answers to humanities every question with all the hoopla of Hollywood.

No wonder confusion reigns.

No wonder people like Dawkins have a field day.

Christianity has to grow up and stop playing Sunday School - it has to teach people as adults and not as little children or worse.

Many Christians live in exile - living at the margins of the Church. You won't see them all that often - they don't stand up and shout that they have something to contribute. Rather, they remain in the shadows of the Temple - out of the spotlight - largely unseen but more often ignored. You have to suss them out. Not easy when you really don't know what you are looking for. But they are there - in church - somewhere - putting up with the incompetence and ignorance with which they are surrounded. They carry the Faith - silently, alone and without fanfare or trumpet knowing that God is neither illogical nor unreasonable.

If you keep watching and seeking you will eventually find them.

But, beware. These precious few will never give you definitive answers - nor some absolute position - those are for you to answer. But they will open up possibilities.

Emmy · #9 26th October 2009, 08:41 AM

Dear super animator. Cristianity is more than reasonable and logical, Christianity is a loving relationship with our Lord. God made us in His image, we alone in this Universe can think and reason. We were banished to Earth to learn to love God with all our being, and also learn to love/treat our neighbour, all others, friend or foe, As we would like to be loved/treated. After men and women had moved too far away from God, and God`s Holy Law wants sinless payment for sins, we needed Jesus to save us, He came to pay the price, and now we are reconciled to God. Jesus showed us how God is really, a loving Heavenly Father, who wants us back. All we have to do, super animator, REPENT, exchange our selfish and wilfull character, into loving God, and our brothers and sisters with selfless love and forgiveness, no strings attached. That is not easy, but we have years to get better and better, and we have Jesus to help and guide us. Every time we fall or stumble, we ask God for forgiveness, and God will forgive us, as we forgive our brothers and sisters. Jesus will give us His Love, Joy, and Peace to share with each other, and life will be much more than reasonable or logical, we will have life in abundance. I say this humbly and with love. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

nhisname · #10 26th October 2009, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by super animator

This question just recently pop into my head. Why should we defend something that we consider to be illogical or/and unreasonable? Can Christianity be defend? Why believe in a god? At least half of here Apparently, can't defend Christianity very well. (no offense)
My faith is incredibly decreasing and I becoming more skeptical by each minute.

You are very young and you need to start building on the solid foundation of truth if you're going to survive the peer pressure and worldliness. We are fighting in a spirtual war and satan is using every trick to seduce our youth to his side, through music, video games, drugs, movies. He is using lies on you right now by making you question your faith. Get in God's word, study, pray and stay active in church and lean on your youth group when you get weak......this is the only way you can fight the devil.