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26th October 2009, 11:31 AM
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Reps: 308,822,204,731,144,320 (power: 308,822,204,731,149) | | Originally Posted by wayseer  You are not alone in your thoughts - why would anyone want to defend what now laughingly passes as 'Christianity'?.
The way in which Christianity is presented today is little short of embarrassing.
This is the 21st century - not the 1st. People demand responses. The mainstream church flounders around still anchored to the past while the fundamentalists advertise on every media outlet that they have all the answers to humanities every question with all the hoopla of Hollywood.
No wonder confusion reigns.
No wonder people like Dawkins have a field day.
Christianity has to grow up and stop playing Sunday School - it has to teach people as adults and not as little children or worse.
Many Christians live in exile - living at the margins of the Church. You won't see them all that often - they don't stand up and shout that they have something to contribute. Rather, they remain in the shadows of the Temple - out of the spotlight - largely unseen but more often ignored. You have to suss them out. Not easy when you really don't know what you are looking for. But they are there - in church - somewhere - putting up with the incompetence and ignorance with which they are surrounded. They carry the Faith - silently, alone and without fanfare or trumpet knowing that God is neither illogical nor unreasonable.
If you keep watching and seeking you will eventually find them.
But, beware. These precious few will never give you definitive answers - nor some absolute position - those are for you to answer. But they will open up possibilities.
Bravo. 
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26th October 2009, 03:55 PM
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Reps: 31,654,610,401,511,400 (power: 31,654,610,401,542) | | Originally Posted by super animator This question just recently pop into my head. Why should we defend something that we consider to be illogical or/and unreasonable? Can Christianity be defend? Why believe in a god? At least half of here Apparently, can't defend Christianity very well. (no offense)
My faith is incredibly decreasing and I becoming more skeptical by each minute.
Beliving in God is assuming there is a Creator. Believing there is no God is assuming there is no Creator. It makes a lot more sense to me that this intricate and complicated world is not just the result of accidental collisions of matter and chemistry heated up over long periods of time with no purpose behind it. If there is no God or creator, there is no ultimate meaning to our existence. We live and die and are forgotten. That may be reality- or not; but it is certainly not very comforting to believe that; and how does one build their life on such a belief? I believe that we cannot live as full and satisfying a life if we simply exist selfishly until we die. Wheather there is a God or not, the better life is experienced in assuming our love for others has value beyond just what we can perceive. Even if there is no God it is wise, I think to live as if we were created by a loving God for the purpose of caring and being concerned for others. Happiness is not achieved by doing whatever feels good at the moment. That is a dead end road.
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26th October 2009, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by super animator This question just recently pop into my head. Why should we defend something that we consider to be illogical or/and unreasonable? Can Christianity be defend? Why believe in a god? At least half of here Apparently, can't defend Christianity very well. (no offense)
My faith is incredibly decreasing and I becoming more skeptical by each minute. 
Well, it does take  FAITH. You must believe that Sacred Scripture is TRUE.
One, it explains where YOU came from and WHY you exist. You did not evolve, without a plan.So it is logical. and it is reasonable. 
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26th October 2009, 05:21 PM
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Reps: 31,654,610,401,511,400 (power: 31,654,610,401,542) | | Originally Posted by HolyGuardianAngels
Well, it does take FAITH. You must believe that Sacred Scripture is TRUE.
One, it explains where YOU came from and WHY you exist. You did not evolve, without a plan.So it is logical. and it is reasonable.
I agree, but faith without love is worthless. 1 Cor 13:2
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26th October 2009, 05:53 PM
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1. When you study the Universe or Life itself you come to the conclusion that: you either believe something very complex and exact came from nothing or there is a God and the chances of life beginning in the first place from just chemical reactions is so very unlikely compared to there being a God, you have to choose God.
2. If you are asking for the Logic behind God creating a system that requires the free will agent to have “faith” for salvation over some other method, there is lots of good logic.
3. If you are asking for the logic behind making man in the first place: God’s Love would compel Him.
4. If you are needing the Logic behind: satan, Christ going to the cross, hell, tragedies and sin there is logic behind all of that.
5. There is good logic behind everything, but just as you have to study, meditate, pray, discuss with other likeminded Christians to discover the meaning to Christ’s parables, you are going to have to do the same with Spiritual questions. It is actually a lot of fun to go on a quest for truth, but check out your motives first, do not assume others have the answer, pray a lot, and do not put off serving others with you quest for your truth (these other distractions can actually be part of the Spirit helping you.  |
29th October 2009, 01:57 AM
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29th October 2009, 12:17 PM
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Reps: 31,654,610,401,511,400 (power: 31,654,610,401,542) | | Originally Posted by chuck010342 why whats wrong what to u think is the biggest problem with Christianity?
Failure to obey the command to love others.
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31st October 2009, 11:18 PM
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1st November 2009, 08:21 AM
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1. Satan is the ruler of the world. 2Cr 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 1Jo 5:19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
2. most people are religious (because God implanted that need for spirituality in us)
3. THEREFORE, Satan uses religion.
Yes, I believe that religion in general is controlled by Satan. It mirrors his personality:greedy, selfish, power-hungry....
4. Since Satan is the "father of the lie", HIS religions don't need to make sense. They are based on lies.
But let me balance this off:
1. God is totally truthful--therefore logical Tts 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;2. The Bible mirrors God's personality--totally logical and truthful. Jhn 17:17 Sanctify [fn] them by the truth; your word is truth. 3. God made our brains. So things that don't make sense may well be false--men twisting the scriptures.
4. There will be true worshipers in the last days. Dan 12:9 He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end.        Dan 12:10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
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1st November 2009, 01:20 PM
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Reps: 191,460,202,749,131 (power: 191,460,202,760) | | Originally Posted by super animator This question just recently pop into my head. Why should we defend something that we consider to be illogical or/and unreasonable? Can Christianity be defend? Why believe in a god? At least half of here Apparently, can't defend Christianity very well. (no offense)
My faith is incredibly decreasing and I becoming more skeptical by each minute.
Wow, I think you have been getting some bad doctrine.
I find the Word of God to be perfectly logical and reasonable. What I find unreasonable is that other people can't see the wonderful Word of God that I see. Since becoming a Christian I have discovered an endless Universe of marvelous things.
Get some counseling please and from some real Christians.
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