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Originally Posted by oneofchrists View Post
You will tell the truth according to You or according to what Jesus says? Just because one believes in the fundamental teachings of the Bible it does not Make that person a driveling raving idiot who will only propagate what He sees as truth no matter what the love of God Has to say about it. We are all on the same side, and We will have disagreements about the word but to label or bunch them all under one belittling tag in order to enhance ones own brand of belief is rather crass don't You think?

Don't You feel that by having ideas like that that You do Christ a disservice?

I would probably not hear things such as this if I stayed within My own traditional Baptist Threads , But I feel as others that I want Know what other faith groups or denominations think about the things of God. I always Go the aid of the underdog the troubled in spirit ,those Who are New in Christ.and try and say a few words to them to comfort them even as I post this I guess I am doing it as Much for Me as I am for You. Even If You never change Your mind and You stick with Your resolve We both Know that We are more like Minded in Our faith Than You may admit.

WE both Love the Lord Jesus Christ , We both try and say encouraging words to the down Hearted and the lost and the searching souls, We are both doing the Lords work in what ever manner He leads us. So If their ever is to be Harmony among us there must be a measure of respect and sensitivity toward one another .I will let this conversation drop now and I trust that because We both know the Truth and because We know the truth as Gods word and that Gods word is as mighty as the sword I pray that that sword will not be used against each other in Malice but in Love , God bless You Roy and to all that You minister to in Your daily walk....dave
Just a little bit of my personal journey to salvation. I was brought up Catholic and attended parochial schools until college at which time I left the faith and was more or less an agnostic for the next 10-12 years. I was saved (too long a story) and started attending a non-denomination "Full Gospel" church. As I got deeper in the Word, I saw how repeatably our church was getting off track. My wife and I, after a brief discussion, started going to a Baptist church, then a Southern Baptist sponsered church. I liked it a lot but the pastor left to pastor another church. We been to Assemblies of God and a number of other churches.

I've said the above so I can say the following. The only authority I recognize is God's Word as conveyed by the Bible. Pick a good modern translation (not a paraphrase) and test everything. Keep your mind open to what God has to say to you. Don't come with a preconceived opinion and then look for scriptures to support it. Non-denominations have a problem because they don't always submit to the authority of the Word, relying too much on "words of knowledge" or emotional "experiences". Denominations sometimes are too dogmatic in their teachings, unwilling to admit when they are wrong. This is probably why my wife and I do not have a home church.

But there are certain essentials of the Christian faith that just cannot be compromised. Period. Some denominations do have a liberal interpretation of scripture, and do place too much emphasis on tradition. Let the Word be the arbiter when differences of opinion occur.

[I have to stop for now. I have a migraine that just won't go away. Seriously.]
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The scriptures tell us that we will all respond to The Spirit with a different conscience and while keeping God’s commandments is imperative, we may be compelled to impose different limits of behavior and thought upon ourselves. We are also told to be aware of and sensitive to each other’s constraints such that we don’t cause another to fall because of our behavior or speech. We are to love one another because of our common faith in the redemptive power of Christ’s sacrifice. God will judge who has not kept his commands within the bounds of their conscience and the presence of The Spirit within them.

My point is that labels among Christians is a divisive practice and serves Satan only. Debates as to who or what is conservative is an exercise that can diminish the love we are commanded to foster for one another. To accuse, defend, imply or deny among ourselves is Satan’s way, not God’s. We each must make our accounting to him. Let’s not require it of one another, but be sensitive to and supportive of the demands The Spirit places on each of us.

Conservative Christians gather to support one another in the level at which they are compelled to respond to God’s Spirit. What about that can be challenged or questioned? What about that requires defending? If you bring in contention… whose work is that?
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Just a little bit of my personal journey to salvation. I was brought up Catholic and attended parochial schools until college at which time I left the faith and was more or less an agnostic for the next 10-12 years. I was saved (too long a story) and started attending a non-denomination "Full Gospel" church. As I got deeper in the Word, I saw how repeatably our church was getting off track. My wife and I, after a brief discussion, started going to a Baptist church, then a Southern Baptist sponsered church. I liked it a lot but the pastor left to pastor another church. We been to Assemblies of God and a number of other churches.

I've said the above so I can say the following. The only authority I recognize is God's Word as conveyed by the Bible. Pick a good modern translation (not a paraphrase) and test everything. Keep your mind open to what God has to say to you. Don't come with a preconceived opinion and then look for scriptures to support it. Non-denominations have a problem because they don't always submit to the authority of the Word, relying too much on "words of knowledge" or emotional "experiences". Denominations sometimes are too dogmatic in their teachings, unwilling to admit when they are wrong. This is probably why my wife and I do not have a home church.

But there are certain essentials of the Christian faith that just cannot be compromised. Period. Some denominations do have a liberal interpretation of scripture, and do place too much emphasis on tradition. Let the Word be the arbiter when differences of opinion occur.

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Originally Posted by Rosco-p-c View Post
Friends,

The scriptures tell us that we will all respond to The Spirit with a different conscience and while keeping God’s commandments is imperative, we may be compelled to impose different limits of behavior and thought upon ourselves. We are also told to be aware of and sensitive to each other’s constraints such that we don’t cause another to fall because of our behavior or speech. We are to love one another because of our common faith in the redemptive power of Christ’s sacrifice. God will judge who has not kept his commands within the bounds of their conscience and the presence of The Spirit within them.

My point is that labels among Christians is a divisive practice and serves Satan only. Debates as to who or what is conservative is an exercise that can diminish the love we are commanded to foster for one another. To accuse, defend, imply or deny among ourselves is Satan’s way, not God’s. We each must make our accounting to him. Let’s not require it of one another, but be sensitive to and supportive of the demands The Spirit places on each of us.

Conservative Christians gather to support one another in the level at which they are compelled to respond to God’s Spirit. What about that can be challenged or questioned? What about that requires defending? If you bring in contention… whose work is that?
All very good observations.
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They don't believe in legislating Biblical morality in a secular world, in all cases? This is different from affirming such behavior among Christians.

To question someone's faith regarding political matters can be very dangerous and cause separation between brethren. Watch and see how they live their lives for Christ.

The main reason I see "conservative" being used as a pejorative is that it is often associated with bullheadedness, and an unwillingness to look at issues from another's perspective. I don't believe that conservativism is necessarily such, but the really loud conservatives who receive much attention seem to act that way a majority of the time.
Isn't it still God's Wordregardless?

If someone calls himself a Christian and yet rejects God's Word for political reasons what sort of signal does that send? If we examine that person's life to discover he cared for the poor liberally would that excuse his rebellion against God for political reasons?

Is it not God's righteousness that we seek and not our own?
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Isn't it still God's Wordregardless?

If someone calls himself a Christian and yet rejects God's Word for political reasons what sort of signal does that send? If we examine that person's life to discover he cared for the poor liberally would that excuse his rebellion against God for political reasons?

Is it not God's righteousness that we seek and not our own?
It seems that a good many folks on both ends of the political spectrum are guilty of what you describe here.
It's a very easy trap to fall into.
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That's what I was trying to say before.


Basically a few bad apples spoiling the bunch.
I guess you would call Jesus, Peter, Paul and the other disciples as intolerant because of their "bullheadiness" unwilling to compromise on the "conservative" teachings of the inspired Word. I don't want to start an argument here, but I do not believe you can support two masters. I do not believe you can compartmentalize your beliefs so they don't interfere with the rest of your life. What some people see as "bullheadiness" I see as faithfulness to God's Word and doing your best to live according to that Word, without compromise.
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Why are we Christians who believe the Bible to be the absolute truth of God considered bigots and racists for sharing the truths of the Word which we believe?
I don't think Conservatives are racists or bigots unless they are acting like ones. The Gospels aren't full of hate, they are full of love and justice, hate being reserved only for sin itself. If someone is claiming to be a Conservative and preaching hate and disdain towards another human being, then and only then would I consider the label "bigot" or "racist".
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I guess you would call Jesus, Peter, Paul and the other disciples as intolerant because of their "bullheadiness" unwilling to compromise on the "conservative" teachings of the inspired Word. I don't want to start an argument here, but I do not believe you can support two masters. I do not believe you can compartmentalize your beliefs so they don't interfere with the rest of your life. What some people see as "bullheadiness" I see as faithfulness to God's Word and doing your best to live according to that Word, without compromise.
I have no idea how you got all that from what I posted.

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Factions breed bullheadedness... I try to hold my own opinions instead of inheriting others' (which is how factions work, I think), although I find no way to avoid applying labels to belief systems. But I describe myself as conservative for specific reasons and expect it to be used by others for similar reasons. So I see no problem with discussing the definition of "conservative" so long as it is based on principles rather than conclusions drawn from those principles. Otherwise we end up with big-tent "conservatism"; the Republican Party seems to be using that to remedy the problems caused by true factionalism, and both trends are ruining society's perception of what political conservatism is. I imagine this reputation also bleeds over into the other types of conservatism, or maybe all of conservative culture is equally deserving of it.

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I don't think Conservatives are racists or bigots unless they are acting like ones. The Gospels aren't full of hate, they are full of love and justice, hate being reserved only for sin itself. If someone is claiming to be a Conservative and preaching hate and disdain towards another human being, then and only then would I consider the label "bigot" or "racist".
Really are you sure?

But they hated Christ who preached only love and Christ said they would hate us for the Gospel we preach.
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