Who is the "we" here? I do not want to misread you again.
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No offense, but please feel free not to reply to any more of my posts.
Your attitute has left a very bad taste in my mouth.
Unless you want to make a peace that is. I'm always up for that.
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...at least it's traffic through deadsville...
I'm not gonna lie and say that thought had not occured to me.
You're right on point as usual Jim.
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Why are we Christians who believe the Bible to be the absolute truth of God considered bigots and racists for sharing the truths of the Word which we believe?
Bigots beget bigots and racists beget racists; and because a snake can only spew one kind of venom, they only spew the kind of venom consistent with the snake they are. KWIM?
As Christians we're cautioned against naivete to the hatred and animosity leveled against us on account of who we are. Christ Himself was labeled all manner of vile things - all of them untrue obviously but leveled anyway for the very same reason, that He is who He is.
What truly boggles my mind is how anyone who claims the name of Christ can at the same time support "leftism?"(1). And sadly, many these days do - whether in ignorance or out of some misguided, bizarre sense of "humanitarianism" or just plain hypocrisy - wolves in sheep's clothing who only seek to destroy the sheep, in some vain attempt to get to the shepherd - He Himself being altogether too powerful.
------------- (1) Term coined because few who are socialist/marxist or espouse to such worldly "ideals" are rarely honest or forthright enough to admit it.
"I am not a Marxist." - Karl Marx
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Not bad!
I'm testing the waters after a lengthy "hiatus" from CF.
Just saw your Linux thread...good luck with that.
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Bigots beget bigots and racists beget racists; and because a snake can only spew one kind of venom, they only spew the kind of venom consistent with the snake they are. KWIM?
As Christians we're cautioned against naivete to the hatred and animosity leveled against us on account of who we are. Christ Himself was labeled all manner of vile things - all of them untrue obviously but leveled anyway for the very same reason, that He is who He is.
What truly boggles my mind is how anyone who claims the name of Christ can at the same time support "leftism?"(1). And sadly, many these days do - whether in ignorance or out of some misguided, bizarre sense of "humanitarianism" or just plain hypocrisy - wolves in sheep's clothing who only seek to destroy the sheep, in some vain attempt to get to the shepherd - He Himself being altogether too powerful.
------------- (1) Term coined because few who are socialist/marxist or espouse to such worldly "ideals" are rarely honest or forthright enough to admit it.
This is why I love this forum...because I get to communicate with other Christians who believe the Word to be the absolute truth from God. It seems these days that there are so few that believe God.
I agree with you. I do not understand how anyone can call himself a Christian while at the same time rejecting the truth of God's Word (leftists as you say). How for example can someone calling himself a Christian while supporting homosexual marriage if they know and believe the Scriptures in Romans 1:24-28 and Leviticus 18:22?
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I agree with you. I do not understand how anyone can call himself a Christian while at the same time rejecting the truth of God's Word (leftists as you say). How for example can someone calling himself a Christian support homosexual marriage if they know and believe the Scriptures in Romans 1:24-28 and Leviticus 18:22?
They don't believe in legislating Biblical morality in a secular world, in all cases? This is different from affirming such behavior among Christians.
To question someone's faith regarding political matters can be very dangerous and cause separation between brethren. Watch and see how they live their lives for Christ.
The main reason I see "conservative" being used as a pejorative is that it is often associated with bullheadedness, and an unwillingness to look at issues from another's perspective. I don't believe that conservativism is necessarily such, but the really loud conservatives who receive much attention seem to act that way a majority of the time.
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<snip>The main reason I see "conservative" being used as a pejorative is that it is often associated with bullheadedness, and an unwillingness to look at issues from another's perspective. I don't believe that conservativism is necessarily such, but the really loud conservatives who receive much attention seem to act that way a majority of the time.
That's what I was trying to say before.
Basically a few bad apples spoiling the bunch.
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They don't believe in legislating Biblical morality in a secular world, in all cases? This is different from affirming such behavior among Christians.
I don't disagree with you on this point at all. I'd much prefer to see people's hearts and values changed iaw the gospel and not enforced through secular courts and laws we happen to be successful implementing. And we get irate when the same happens to us, when values we don't hold are foisted on us through the same process. We need to be very careful how we view and use our legislative and judicial systems.
I will say that one doesn't need to be on CF for very long to realize the vast diversity of "Christian" beliefs that exist among our members - we have members who claim the name of Christ who do in fact affirm behaviors others of us find utterly abhorent and immoral. We have, for example, members who affirm the propriety of homosexual marriage, of "testing the waters" of sexual compatibility prior to marriage, of ministers (clergy) being openly homosexual, and a variety of other beliefs "conservatives" view as "liberal." We have a small handful of members whom I label "contrarians" who will deny, contradict, excoriate and ridicule with pseudo-intellectuality concepts like absolute truth, and even the nature of God. Tolerance works both ways and some things are just intolerable for either side.
Originally Posted by chrisnu
To question someone's faith regarding political matters can be very dangerous and cause separation between brethren. Watch and see how they live their lives for Christ.
I don't disagree - there's nothing wrong with questioning however - it's in the asserting such divisiveness can occur. And you are right - no argument - we need to judge one another's fruit, not their ballots. To be frank though, division among Christians is demonstrably more prevalent on issues of far less import than political views - which is sad, but true and evidenced by the plethora of denominations and congregations within the various denominations that exist today.
I still question the notion however. I don't understand it; I find the notion entirely foreign and outside my sphere of comprehension - hence the confusion and query. And this is not discounting the fact that those who hold such views may be as those disciples in Acts 19:1ff who simply didn't understand or who had never yet been exposed...
Originally Posted by chrisnu
The main reason I see "conservative" being used as a pejorative is that it is often associated with bullheadedness, and an unwillingness to look at issues from another's perspective. I don't believe that conservativism is necessarily such, but the really loud conservatives who receive much attention seem to act that way a majority of the time.
Maybe - such a charge can be leveled on either side - and quite legitimately. I know many "intractables" among non-conservatives who are equally bullheaded and seemingly unwilling to entertain differing views. Would that the new health care reform bill draft be made public for all to view as the original drafts were prior to all the town hall meetings, eh?
We need to ask questions.
We need to seek understanding.
We need to avoid making assumptions.
We need to view facts, truths and ensure our beliefs are in line with the same.
At the same time, is it not possible those with firm views on a subject (or subjects) have in fact taken a good look at opposing perspectives and, finding them wanting or altogether lacking, feel arguing (entertaining) the same issues repetitively an exercise in ad-nauseum? Particularly in the face of that opposition which seems to entertain similar intolerance for views that oppose theirs?
God bless - I'm glad this thread is proceeding as it is - with reasoned, temperate discussion of the issues...
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