and proof that is happened is a story in a book? you familiar with "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" ?
really, to even make this point with bible quotes, you need to prove us the veracity of the bible first. a feat not easily done to people who have scientific education, read classical literature and know about the history at the time.
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I think a lot of people are dismissing the Genesis account of the ‘Noah Flood’ without giving it adequate consideration.
I don’t know much about biology but I did notice the bit about the dove bringing back an olive leaf:
“And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.” (Gen 10 v10&11)
The leaves did not drop off during 10 months underwater, and there is no mention that the leaf was brown or anything. If it was fresh and green then the olive tree had been doing fine underwater, receiving energy and photosynthesising.
So thousands of years before scientists found hydroponics it was all right there in the Bible for anyone to see, something nobody back then had no way of finding out.
Explain that
So the flood was just because God wanted to rock the Ganj?
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"The flood consisted of rain and whatever the 'fountains of the deep' are. I'll assume fresh water, and it is lighter than salt water so just forms a very deep layer on top"
w8...is this still poe?
because that phenomena would kill almost all marine life, not to mention cook it.
I'm not sure why it would cook it
"Sooo, no problem for the river fish as they would have been in fresh water, and this isn't like dumping trees in the sea because the water that flooded the trees would have been fresh too."
nooo, all freshwater fish would die because of the mixing of water, not to forget the heat.
and it all depends on where the trees stood, if the flood was wolrdwide, almost all tires must have been covered in salty water, and would have died.
(40 days is a LOT of time for diffusion of salts)
Try it, I think you'll find apart from a couple of metres of mixed salt fresh the layers will stay separate, also diffusion won't take the salt far in 10.5 months.
"Evidently not just a few plants like willows or mangroves, but all plants can survive being under a lot of water for a bit over 10 months."
evidently ey?
how about providing that evidence.
and you DO understand that willows will only survive fresh water and mangroves had a vast amount of time to evolve into their niche.
God seems to have a different opinion, He did not provide any space on the Ark for any plants because He knew they would all do just fine under a few kilometres of water for 10.5 months.
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Did it occur to anyone that this olive tree was never under water in the first place?
Remember Adam being placed in the Garden of Eden?
God planted that garden, Himself --- and hypergrew it w/i a 24-hour timespan.
Noah, if you recall, disembarked, planted a vineyard, and got drunk.
This means that this vineyard had to have grown at a fantastically quick pace, in order for Noah to still be in enough shock from the Flood to have still wanted to inebriate himself.
I see questions like this, along with, "Where did Cain get his wife?"; and you guys have to realize that things were different back then.
You can't invoke uniformitarian paradigms to explain this stuff.
Gestation periods, plant growth, etc. could all have been much shorter back then.
I'm not sure I quite get that.
A hundred years to build an ark, which itself required intervention to:
1. ensure it didn't rot faster than it was being built
2. get animals from other continents into it
3. a huge water supply from a miraculous source for the flood
4. removal of this water - Genesis claims it just dried up
5. The waterproof covering removed from the 35,000 year old cave paintings
6. Antarctic ice cap put back undamaged exactly where it had been
7. hypergrowth to return all the grasslands and forest to the exact state they had been before the flood
8. Mind alterations so the Egyptians for example just carried on from where they had been, remembered the hieroglyphics they had been using for the previous 500 years, all over the Earth each culture was unaffected by the flood
9. removal of all evidence of the flood, including repopulating distant parts of the Globe with their indigenous peoples, such as aborigines in Australia back to the original level of population in each area.
Given that everything was quickly restored to the exact state it had been before the flood
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But the Bishop also missed year 0, so in total he was only out by 3 years in the BC era
There was no year zero.
There was an arbitrary zero point, at which point started the first year after the zero point, and when one year had passed, it became the second year after the zero point. At 00:00:01 on Jan 1, 2001, the twentieth century had ended and the twenty-first century had begun.
Before the zero point everything is dated B.C.E. (Before Common Era, B.C)and after the zero point it is dated C.E. (Common Era, A.D.)
In any case, discussing the year of the biblical flood is like discussing the year Goldilocks trespassed on the house of the three bears.
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OK, I hope this fixes it
And while Pharaoh Unas 'wetfoot' tramped back from Mt Ararat to Egypt, the rest of the Egyptian population hypergrew and was there to greet him and he finished the remaining 6 or so years of his 30-year reign.
Meanwhile in China before and after the Flood they were making black eggshell pottery goblets:
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