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Originally Posted by A New Dawn View Post
Who do you think they are applicable to? (The answer would be found in the portion of the letters to whom they are written.)
Indeed, I am amazed, and amazed again, and amazed again after that each and every time i find that so many of a peop0les who cliam to belive the Bible is Gods word, dont even know what it says.

and I continue to be amazed that so many of the people who are so quick to defend Mr.Smith are less familiar with the BoM, D&C, PoGP and many of the varius teaching and manueals of thier church than I am.
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Originally Posted by BarryK View Post
I believe what God has to say about His EKKLESIA
it is evident that you do not beleive what God has to say about His EKKLESIA

bummer for you
If you believe what God has to say about "His EKKLESIA" then why do you fight with every fabric of your being against it?

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Originally Posted by BarryK View Post
Indeed, I am amazed, and amazed again, and amazed again after that each and every time i find that so many of a peop0les who cliam to belive the Bible is Gods word, dont even know what it says.

and I continue to be amazed that so many of the people who are so quick to defend Mr.Smith are less familiar with the BoM, D&C, PoGP and many of the varius teaching and manueals of thier church than I am.
Why would you be so predisposed to pore over our books; something eating at you?
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Originally Posted by Detai View Post
If you believe what God has to say about "His EKKLESIA" then why do you fight with every fabric of your being against it?
You seem to be operating under a mistaken impression regarding the meaning of "ekklesia".
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Old 5th November 2009, 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Detai View Post
If you believe what God has to say about "His EKKLESIA" then why do you fight with every fabric of your being against it?
for you to even make the claim that I am fighting against THE EKKLESIA with "every fabric of my being" betrays you.

Only El Shaddai knows what is in my heart.

For you to hae the audacity to make the claim that you you know what is in "every fabric of my being" is to make the claim that YOU are El Shaddai.
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Old 5th November 2009, 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Detai View Post

Originally Posted by BarryK
Indeed, I am amazed, and amazed again, and amazed again after that each and every time i find that so many of a peop0les who cliam to belive the Bible is Gods word, dont even know what it says.

and I continue to be amazed that so many of the people who are so quick to defend Mr.Smith are less familiar with the BoM, D&C, PoGP and many of the varius teaching and manueals of thier church than I am.

Why would you be so predisposed to pore over our books; something eating at you?
I have invested serious time and study, at the prompting of some of your young men, to search out what your orginization has to offer. While it is true that I went beyound their recomendations, I dug deep before I reached the decision NOT to make a commitment to the L.D.S.

It is evident that you have not done the same.
Why is it that you are not familiar wiith the Bible, and not familiar with what your church teaches?
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Originally Posted by BarryK View Post
I have invested serious time and study, at the prompting of some of your young men, to search out what your orginization has to offer. While it is true that I went beyound their recomendations, I dug deep before I reached the decision NOT to make a commitment to the L.D.S.

It is evident that you have not done the same.
Why is it that you are not familiar wiith the Bible, and not familiar with what your church teaches?
Ah yes, the old they hide from us what we really believe approach.
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Originally Posted by Detai View Post
Ah yes, the old they hide from us what we really believe approach.
Not one person posting here knows exactly what you believe. They can only talk about what past LDS have taught and what present LDS are teaching.

Originally Posted by BarryK View Post
Why is it that you are not familiar wiith the Bible, and not familiar with what your church teaches?
It appears to BarryK that you aren't familiar with the Bible and what your church teaches. To me, it doesn't say that anything is hidden from you.
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Originally Posted by RufustheRed View Post
If I hold to the concept that the earth is flat, does that make it true?

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by the same token one must also disbelieve the Bible.



That's not the point. The point is ARE there records of individuals through out centuries? Where are they? Who do they point to?

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no that is not the point, the point was that there ARE NOT any records.
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Originally Posted by Blackmarch View Post
no that is not the point, the point was that there ARE NOT any records.
The statement (or rather, the implication) was made that since royalty could trace their ancestors back to Adam and Eve that that meant that everyone could. I'd go more to the opinion that that is the exception to the rule rather than the rule. Unless one can trace their ancestors back to royalty (who could afford to keep records), then they are out of luck. Not only could people not afford to keep records, they couldn't even read to attempt to do it themselves. I think we need to look at the situation realistically rather than point to an extreme case and suggest that because they (the kings and queens) could do it, that means that everyone can do it.
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