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Old 23rd October 2009, 10:56 AM
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“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have Fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (I John1:7

There is no sin known to man too terrible for the blood of Jesus to wash away, yet some people believe that they are unforgivable. They lead tormented lives never knowing the peace and love of Christ, which is available to them. Many of these people are Christians I believe, but the lives they lead are very much caught up in the concerns of the world

I have known some of these people and I remember one woman in particular who committed suicide because she could not live with her own torment. She was a member of the church we attended and a Christian. Yet she was in a living hell on Earth, because of sexual sin in a relationship with a man in the church. When the man she loved rejected her, see saw no way out except suicide. However, there was still forgiveness for her if she had only believed God’s Word. There is no sin too great for God to forgive.
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Old 23rd October 2009, 11:05 AM
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Some here think God's talking about fellowship as man with man. that's not the truth. He talking about fellowship with Him. No wonder someone will kill themself if they try to have fellowship with all men. Talking about beating ones head agianst the wall.
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Old 23rd October 2009, 11:25 AM
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Some here think God's talking about fellowship as man with man. that's not the truth. He talking about fellowship with Him. No wonder someone will kill themself if they try to have fellowship with all men. Talking about beating ones head agianst the wall.
We were close to this young woman who was a good friend of my wife. Yet apparently we were not close enough to see what she was going through that would lead her to kill herself. She did talk about this man who looked like a slick good-looking playboy type and who appeared to use our Church as a means of picking up girls. We knew him also and after her suicide we and the church rejected him. He left the church soon after.
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Old 23rd October 2009, 09:53 PM
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We were close to this young woman who was a good friend of my wife. Yet apparently we were not close enough to see what she was going through that would lead her to kill herself. She did talk about this man who looked like a slick good-looking playboy type and who appeared to use our Church as a means of picking up girls. We knew him also and after her suicide we and the church rejected him. He left the church soon after.
Love is the answer you are so right. But man has taken that to mean lust or love in the flesh. Only bad things can come out of that. I feel for you friend so very deeply. If man had talked more of the light and least on the darkness then things made had been different. Man makes a bed of fools when they procliam the darkness as a ends to a means. Don't get me wrong I can tell you love her much and that a great thing. But as a body man try's to do what God has done to the glory of a man. I pray I make sense. Ken
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Originally Posted by enoch son View Post
Love is the answer you are so right. But man has taken that to mean lust or love in the flesh. Only bad things can come out of that. I feel for you friend so very deeply. If man had talked more of the light and least on the darkness then things made had been different. Man makes a bed of fools when they procliam the darkness as a ends to a means. Don't get me wrong I can tell you love her much and that a great thing. But as a body man try's to do what God has done to the glory of a man. I pray I make sense. Ken

You do Ken, Loud and clear.
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Originally Posted by enoch son View Post
Some here think God's talking about fellowship as man with man. that's not the truth. He talking about fellowship with Him. No wonder someone will kill themself if they try to have fellowship with all men. Talking about beating ones head agianst the wall.
This isn't about homosexuality you had me fooled.
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Originally Posted by enoch son View Post
Love is the answer you are so right. But man has taken that to mean lust or love in the flesh. Only bad things can come out of that. I feel for you friend so very deeply. If man had talked more of the light and least on the darkness then things made had been different. Man makes a bed of fools when they procliam the darkness as a ends to a means. Don't get me wrong I can tell you love her much and that a great thing. But as a body man try's to do what God has done to the glory of a man. I pray I make sense. Ken
I wonder about those men who use the Church as they would a bar to pick up girls. I suppose it can be the other way also with women looking for guys. Perhaps its just our nature as sexual beings, still some abuse their nature being carnal thus rejecting that nature of Christ that should be in them.
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“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have Fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (I John1:7

There is no sin known to man too terrible for the blood of Jesus to wash away, yet some people believe that they are unforgivable. They lead tormented lives never knowing the peace and love of Christ, which is available to them. Many of these people are Christians I believe, but the lives they lead are very much caught up in the concerns of the world

I have known some of these people and I remember one woman in particular who committed suicide because she could not live with her own torment. She was a member of the church we attended and a Christian. Yet she was in a living hell on Earth, because of sexual sin in a relationship with a man in the church. When the man she loved rejected her, see saw no way out except suicide. However, there was still forgiveness for her if she had only believed God’s Word. There is no sin too great for God to forgive.
Yes i DO believe forgiveness is a gift, and is possible only through the Holy Spirit. It is a tragedy that this dear soul; was so entrapped in the lies of that liar from the beginning.
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It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
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Yes i DO believe forgiveness is a gift, and is possible only through the Holy Spirit. It is a tragedy that this dear soul; was so entrapped in the lies of that liar from the beginning.
My wife and I were talking last night about the desperation that leads to suicide. We have had other close friends that killed themselves. I said to her, how strange it is that many of those that commit suicide had a wonderful future in front if only they could have seen themselves as others saw them.

Our next door neighbor, a wonderful young woman with a two year old son killed herself. My son was very close to her and it took a long time for him to get over her death. She had a reason to live and people that loved and I guess she just couldn't see that.
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My wife and I were talking last night about the desperation that leads to suicide. We have had other close friends that killed themselves. I said to her, how strange it is that many of those that commit suicide had a wonderful future in front if only they could have seen themselves as others saw them.

Our next door neighbor, a wonderful young woman with a two year old son killed herself. My son was very close to her and it took a long time for him to get over her death. She had a reason to live and people that loved and I guess she just couldn't see that.
I believe the enemy "blinds" and "blocks" the "hope" that is before them, and distracts these poor souls from focusing on the "hope" that is God's promise. It is tragic.
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It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
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