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Reps: 191,460,202,749,131 (power: 191,460,202,760) | | Originally Posted by brinny  I believe the enemy "blinds" and "blocks" the "hope" that is before them, and distracts these poor souls from focusing on the "hope" that is God's promise. It is tragic.
But why is that allowed by God? Simple question. Why would God allow the enemy to destroy the people we loved? We are told that God is all powerful and yet He let the enemy enter into my neighbors thoughts, causing her to become depressed and to kill herself. We were close friends and she had so much to live for. Why with all that love directed at her and for her was the enemy given the the power by God to destroy her? Why didn't God intervene on behalf of her loved ones?
I know the standard anwers to these questions but frankly they have never satisfied me.
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Reps: 674,058,719,418,024,320 (power: 674,058,719,418,037) | | Originally Posted by RoyWM But why is that allowed by God? Simple question. Why would God allow the enemy to destroy the people we loved? We are told that God is all powerful and yet He let the enemy enter into my neighbors thoughts, causing her to become depressed and to kill herself. We were close friends and she had so much to live for. Why with all that love directed at her and for her was the enemy given the the power by God to destroy her? Why didn't God intervene on behalf of her loved ones?
I know the standard anwers to these questions but frankly they have never satisfied me.
That's sort of like asking why did God allow all of Job's children and most of his servents die, just to test the man's faith.
There are just some things we will not understand fully on this side of death, but that's not the real issue.
The real issue is if we choose to see these things that we don't fully understand and then try to judge God by the lens of our own perception, or if we approach these things knowing that God is good and just and that whatever He allows to happen does not cause Him to violate His nature, even if it doesn't make sense.
God's nature is the constant, and we should judge these things through that lens only, and not the other way around.
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4th November 2009, 10:36 AM
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Reps: 17,214,311,476,182,840 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by RoyWM But why is that allowed by God? Simple question. Why would God allow the enemy to destroy the people we loved? We are told that God is all powerful and yet He let the enemy enter into my neighbors thoughts, causing her to become depressed and to kill herself. We were close friends and she had so much to live for. Why with all that love directed at her and for her was the enemy given the the power by God to destroy her? Why didn't God intervene on behalf of her loved ones?
I know the standard anwers to these questions but frankly they have never satisfied me.
Because man don't have a clue what death is. man thinks death is the grave what a joke. She never died she is made after the likness of God and He removed death by takening it into Himself. She alive and well it's the flesh of sin that is missing. And that flesh of sin was only in her mind because of the flase teaching she was hearing. |
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I am glad she is now in heaven, but that was not God's will that happened there.
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4th November 2009, 06:24 PM
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Reps: 17,214,311,476,182,840 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by KingZzub So Enoch, it is fine that someone does not life a full life on earth because they murdered themselves?
I am glad she is now in heaven, but that was not God's will that happened there.
When did you die for the sins of the world so you could jugde and know what the will of god was in this matter. Like I said she sat in the pews and hear nothing but comdemnation about her flesh and the comdemnation did what it does "Death". If life had been being preach then life in the flesh would have been the out come. the fait accompli is man's. |
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I also think that she should have gone for counselling, maybe even taken medication if she was clinically depressed.
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Reps: 17,214,311,476,182,840 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by DiscipleWhomJesusLoves maybe if she had heard more preaching about the grace and forgiveness of God -- that her lifetime of sins have been totally wiped out by His eternal blood -- (and blelieved it wholeheartedly) she would not have committed suicide.
I also think that she should have gone for counselling, maybe even taken medication if she was clinically depressed.
I agree with this. Sin is no more removed by the cross of chriat. Love is the answer not talking about sin. romans 8:2 The life of the spirit is love not sin and death. |
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Reps: 155,696,005,911,999,168 (power: 155,696,005,912,020) | | Originally Posted by enoch son When did you die for the sins of the world so you could jugde and know what the will of god was in this matter. Like I said she sat in the pews and hear nothing but comdemnation about her flesh and the comdemnation did what it does "Death". If life had been being preach then life in the flesh would have been the out come. the fait accompli is man's.
Enoch,
You don't have to die for the sins of the world to know God's will.
I know God's will by reading His Word the Bible.
I agree with you that life should have been preached to her and that is man's fault, partly hers, partly those around her. But it was not God's fault and not God's will - God is a God of life, not death.
Blessings,
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Reps: 17,214,311,476,182,840 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by KingZzub Enoch,
You don't have to die for the sins of the world to know God's will.
I know God's will by reading His Word the Bible.
I agree with you that life should have been preached to her and that is man's fault, partly hers, partly those around her. But it was not God's fault and not God's will - God is a God of life, not death.
Blessings,
Ben
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10th November 2009, 11:31 AM
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Reps: 191,460,202,749,131 (power: 191,460,202,760) | | Originally Posted by enoch son Because man don't have a clue what death is. man thinks death is the grave what a joke. She never died she is made after the likness of God and He removed death by takening it into Himself. She alive and well it's the flesh of sin that is missing. And that flesh of sin was only in her mind because of the flase teaching she was hearing.
I'm not clear on what you are saying.
You said, "Because man don't have a clue what death is. man thinks death is the grave what a joke. She never died she is made after the likness of God and He removed death by takening it into Himself."
Well she did physically die and she did kill herself which as the Bible says is a sin against God.
You said, "She alive and well it's the flesh of sin that is missing. And that flesh of sin was only in her mind because of the flase teaching she was hearing."
What do you mean she is alive? How can we know she is a alive if we also know that she committing a sinful act...suicide?
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