Which one is worse, obesity or homosexuality? I'm asking this because it the town I live in, many churches ban homosexuals from being able to serve in the clergy, in an attempt to "uphold God's word".
In terms of Bible verses, there are arguably up to about 10 verses relating to homosexuality. However, there are hundreds if not thousands about greed, to which I believe overeating can be attached to.
In terms of damage to society, it is unclear to what extent (if any) that homosexuals negatively affect us. I think both men and women can do just about every job necessary to raise children, etc. You could even go as far as to call homosexuals a nice counterbalance to overpopulation. However, the effects of overeating are much more obvious. Just think of how many of the starving that we could feed with all of the extra food that folks in modernized countries eat.
My question to the people who believe homosexuals should not be allowed to serve in the clergy is this: should we ban the obese as well?
There is another scripture about treating your body as a temple as well which can be more directly related to physical & spiritual condition. The thing is homosexuality is out right condemed by God where as over eating you have to make some leaps in logic. However I agree that someone who is over weight does not have much room to talk when it comes to condeming others, being a member of church leadership I think being over weight has much less bearing than being openly unrepentantly homosexual not that weight issues should not be delt with but because of the very specific condemnation from God on homosexuality its much more clear cut than someone who is over weight. Now if you wanted to debate remarried heterosexuals and over weight people thoes are 2 areas that are in the grey. Homosexuality is most definitly in the black.
Hmm, how about this: with the hundreds/thousands of Bible verses condemning the greedy, should we also ban the people who do not donate a certain a percentage of their money to charity?
Seems to me like some churches are singling out people guilty of some sins, while (in terms of can they join the clergy), practically ignoring some of the more serious sins. I'm not sure that I understand this.
Actually, if we could read minds and hearts, I think we'd find that all churches are "singling out some sin," and not just in regards to ordination.
It's and old human game, and not restricted to theists, much less Christians. You (a) find a behavior that you do not like and do not indulge in, (2) anathmetize it; and (3) pray, "Thank God I'm not like those (insert sin of choice).
As to obesity, we do need to make some allowance foor metabolic factors, genetics, what have you. Also, in my opinion, for the ridiculous definition of "obese" currently in vogue with the weight loss industry and the Believers In BMI. But your point is well taken. The occasional supper and potluck is one thing; but most of the food I've seen served up at churches would serve a more Christian purpose if given to a homeless shelter or even the local jail. Start harping on obesity and you're going to empty a lot more pews than pulpits. And greed? Well ... last one out of the church, lock the door behind you!
I think the main difference is walking in sin or isolated incidents of sin, someone who is in an open homosexual relationship with no intention of changing is walking it. I think greed gets way over hyped, most people dont know other peoples financial situation so they may be within a 100$ of not being able to pay there mortgages, especially in an economy like this alot of households are doing what they can to keep there heads above water and while I dont agree with giving nothing I think holding someone to 10% is not very christian and is not even what Jesus preached.
If they are banning gay people from attending because of verses in the bible, then perhaps they should ban people who eat too much (not always obese people!), people who have too much money, etc.
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Which one is worse, obesity or homosexuality? I'm asking this because it the town I live in, many churches ban homosexuals from being able to serve in the clergy, in an attempt to "uphold God's word".
In terms of Bible verses, there are arguably up to about 10 verses relating to homosexuality. However, there are hundreds if not thousands about greed, to which I believe overeating can be attached to.
In terms of damage to society, it is unclear to what extent (if any) that homosexuals negatively affect us. I think both men and women can do just about every job necessary to raise children, etc. You could even go as far as to call homosexuals a nice counterbalance to overpopulation. However, the effects of overeating are much more obvious. Just think of how many of the starving that we could feed with all of the extra food that folks in modernized countries eat.
My question to the people who believe homosexuals should not be allowed to serve in the clergy is this: should we ban the obese as well?
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Bishops are to be 'blameless'.
That generally includes their behavior, not their appearance, I think, unless the two are connected somehow.
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless,
the husband of one wife,
vigilant,
sober,
of good behaviour,
given to hospitality,
apt to teach;
Not given to wine,
no striker,
not greedy of filthy lucre;
but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Likewise must the deacons
be grave,
not doubletongued,
not given to much wine,
not greedy of filthy lucre;
Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon,
being found blameless.
Even so must their wives be grave,
not slanderers,
sober,
faithful in all things.
Let the deacons be the
husbands of one wife,
ruling their children and their own houses well.
For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
(1 Timothy 3:1-13 KJV)
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I think the main difference is walking in sin or isolated incidents of sin, someone who is in an open homosexual relationship with no intention of changing is walking it. I think greed gets way over hyped, most people dont know other peoples financial situation so they may be within a 100$ of not being able to pay there mortgages, especially in an economy like this alot of households are doing what they can to keep there heads above water and while I dont agree with giving nothing I think holding someone to 10% is not very christian and is not even what Jesus preached.
What is worse: not knowing that something is a sin, so not actively repenting of it, or knowing something is a sin, but not actively repenting of it? The former seems generally seems to represent homosexuality to those who are involved, while the later represents overeating and greed.
As for whether or not greed is over hyped, just think of how much we would be able to give if everyone drove a used car, ate only cheap meals at home, etc.
Anyway, my point is this: We are in no position to judge anyone else, or their sin. Number one, we cannot know everything about someone, and number two, all of us are to some extent in "the black area".
Well, my study of scripture leads me to say much of what we call homosexuality isn't a sin. Ya, greed is much more talked about and yet is preached about less that its weight in scripture from what I read and hear in the sermons I hear. As for food, Ya, the cost people supper from eating wrong is high. I have a friend that has lost 2 toes in the last year because he doesn't eat right. His Doctors told him 2 yrs ago that he would die in less than 5 yrs if he doesn't eat right .. diabetes. He has only done a part of what he is supose to do. So the cost is high, he's had the doctors all the time. Yet is that a sin?
Both these issues aren't sin in the sense that stealing is as I understand what God is getting at. Yet the cost is high and clearly results from many personal issues and relational issues.
Which one is worse, obesity or homosexuality? I'm asking this because it the town I live in, many churches ban homosexuals from being able to serve in the clergy, in an attempt to "uphold God's word".
In terms of Bible verses, there are arguably up to about 10 verses relating to homosexuality. However, there are hundreds if not thousands about greed, to which I believe overeating can be attached to.
In terms of damage to society, it is unclear to what extent (if any) that homosexuals negatively affect us. I think both men and women can do just about every job necessary to raise children, etc. You could even go as far as to call homosexuals a nice counterbalance to overpopulation. However, the effects of overeating are much more obvious. Just think of how many of the starving that we could feed with all of the extra food that folks in modernized countries eat.
My question to the people who believe homosexuals should not be allowed to serve in the clergy is this: should we ban the obese as well?
Thanks
Which is worse, if I kick you between the legs or punch you in the nose? Both are offenses against you right? You'd feel disrespected if you were assaulted in either way right? Obesity and homosexual acts are both offenses against God, they both constitute an assault on His will. Wrong is wrong, sin is sin, no excuses. The wages of sin is death, all sin pays the same, there are no small sins there are no big sins, there is just sin. There is only one Name under heaven by which men can be saved, barring that salvation there is not a single human that can enter heaven without Jesus. No one is perfect, but that is no excuse to sin . .. Paul said something to that affect in Romans 6.
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