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Originally Posted by 357magnum View Post
If you don't believe in God, see Psalms 14.
Does that ever work?
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Dunno.

I have a feeling a lot of this stuff that shows up in Scientific Americant and/or Poopular Science is there because of what's called the Perish or Publish Principle.
Scientific American and Popular Science are, as the name implies, popular science magazines. They do not carry peer-reviewed articles, but rather sensationalist articles, often based on very shaky foundations.

That said, your feelings rarely factors in with reality, so I very much doubt it does so this time.
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Originally Posted by 357magnum View Post
If you don't believe in God, see Psalms 14.
That would acually be part of the reason I don't believe in God. Not a big part, but in there nonetheless.

"None that doeth good"? Demonstrably false. Incorrect. Wrong in the most absolute sense. The Bible, supposedly the word of God, lies about the good that atheists do every single day.

See my sig; it is because of the portrayal of God in the Bible and in the hands of Christians that I do not believe in God. You pointing out even more of His ridiculousness does nothing to sway that.
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Originally Posted by Skaloop View Post
That would acually be part of the reason I don't believe in God. Not a big part, but in there nonetheless.

"None that doeth good"? Demonstrably false. Incorrect. Wrong in the most absolute sense. The Bible, supposedly the word of God, lies about the good that atheists do every single day.

See my sig; it is because of the portrayal of God in the Bible and in the hands of Christians that I do not believe in God. You pointing out even more of His ridiculousness does nothing to sway that.
This is from Matthew Henry's Commentary on Psalm 14:1
The character of this sinner. He is a fool; he is simple and unwise, and this is an evidence of it; he is wicked and profane, and this is the cause of it. Note, Atheistical thoughts are very foolish wicked thoughts, and they are at the bottom of a great deal of the wickedness that is in this world. The word of God is a discerner of these thoughts, and puts a just brand on him that harbours them. Nabal is his name, and folly is with him; for he thinks against the clearest light, against his own knowledge and convictions, and the common sentiments of all the wise and sober part of mankind. No man will say, There is no God till he is so hardened in sin that it has become his interest that there should be none to call him to an account.
From the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown commentary:
The practical atheism and total and universal depravity of the wicked, with their hatred to the good, are set forth. Yet, as they dread God's judgments when He vindicates His people, the Psalmist prays for His delivering power.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
This is from Matthew Henry's Commentary on Psalm 14:1

From the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown commentary:
Fine. Then Matthew Henry and Jamieson-Fausset-Brown are lying too. Or are merely ignorant of their errors. At least they have that ignorance to fall back on for their excuse.
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Originally Posted by Skaloop View Post
Fine. Then Matthew Henry and Jamieson-Fausset-Brown are lying too. Or are merely ignorant of their errors. At least they have that ignorance to fall back on for their excuse.
FYI, we're all in that boat, Skaloop.
Originally Posted by Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
FYI, we're all in that boat, Skaloop.
Except for the people who study the science and actually understand the data underlying these conclusions upon which evolutionary theory is based. I think its a bit silly of you to claim that we are all ignorant, as if people with doctorates in biological sciences, who do research are on the same level as the general public.
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I suppose when you look around the world believing in imaginary beings is quite the normal thing to do, along with shivering when we're cold or sweating when we're hot or all of the other instinctive things we do, just like the other animals on this planet, however, there is one thing we have the other animals don't have, an imagination, everything else is the same, we are born we live we breed and we die, in between we can imagine all kinds of wonderful scenarios that will happen when we die, scenarios that are dependant where on the planet we happen to live.
Since we left the caves our imaginations have been working overtime, just look how many gods we have managed to imagine, thousands, and every one a winner for someone.
Animals do believe in God ... you can't say they don't, no-one's ever asked one. The bible says they do (Psalm 104). Also they dream, therefore they must have an imagination, chimps have been observed sitting for ages staring into the distance, what do they think of? Elephants have been known to stare at themselves in the mirror contemplating for ages too. Also they can pretend things, why do cats insist on chasing string like they're truly hunting when they know it's not a real mouse? Pretending and Imagination in Animals and Children - Cambridge University Press.
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Kindly stop misrepresenting your opponents. False witness is a sin.
False witness is claiming you saw or heard something that you didn't. To be fair, most cases of misrepresenting your opponents on this forum is more usually misunderstanding them.
Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff View Post
Does that ever work?
You have seen the infinite power and beauty and the divine nature of the universe and the earth, you have known these things, yet you don't glorify these qualities as God nor give thanks to Him for them, you have turned aside to vain thinking and have claimed to be wise, that there is no evidence, when the evidence is all around, as His word says: "their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:21-22)
Originally Posted by Skaloop View Post
"None that doeth good"? Demonstrably false. Incorrect. Wrong in the most absolute sense. The Bible, supposedly the word of God, lies about the good that atheists do every single day.
Even Jesus said, ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone." (Mark 10:18) only God is good in essence, others are called good only because they act like Him, a borrowed attribute. "All our righteous acts are like filthy rags" before Him because of sin, because it is written "There is no one righteous, not even one", everyone has sinned. But there is a righteousness that comes from God through faith in Jesus Christ:
"This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished—he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus." (Romans 3:22-26)
What you currently call 'good' will never justify you, only Christ can, through His blood, through His sacrifice of Himself upon the cross. Salvation is a free gift, why not take it?
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Could any creationist tell me if they have ever been told something about creationism that has made them feel embarrassed?
would you believe anything and everything you were told? if not where would you draw the line?
how ridiculous would something need to be before you said to yourself 'I will not believe that'?
I only find the fakery some perpetrate to be embarrassing, also in any area of life really, eg. dinosaur + human prints together where they just forged them. We are supposed to put off falsehood "Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body." (Ephesians 4:25) Though it's true that some people can just be unfortunately deceived by these people, so I don't find them embarrassing, they're just ill-informed. We should always investigate whether such claims are true first before we use them in an argument. The claim that God made the world I am in no way ashamed of.
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Except for the people who study the science and actually understand the data underlying these conclusions upon which evolutionary theory is based. I think its a bit silly of you to claim that we are all ignorant, as if people with doctorates in biological sciences, who do research are on the same level as the general public.
Here's a little pop-quiz, Student:

If in the Bible, God says we are all sinners, and someone says, 'Not so. Look at what all I've done'; who should I believe?
  1. God
  2. Someone
Remember that passage of Scripture, Student, where the guys thought they did great and mighty things in the name of Christ?
Originally Posted by Matthew 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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Here's a little pop-quiz, Student:

If in the Bible, God says we are all sinners, and someone says, 'Not so. Look at what all I've done'; who should I believe?
  1. God
  2. Someone
Remember that passage of Scripture, Student, where the guys thought they did great and mighty things in the name of Christ?


That is completely irrelevant to my point. I wasn't talking about sin, I was talking about physical origins. That is what you call a straw man
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