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23rd October 2009, 06:17 PM
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Reps: 9,850,322,343,169,634 (power: 9,850,322,343,177) | | Im_A and Dean did an excellent job of stating what I also believe, both in a way that cannot be improved on.
Here's wishing you all the best, Pax.
For a lighter note, check out this recent Pearls Before Swine comic.
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24th October 2009, 01:07 AM
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Reps: 66,389,596,756,061,776 (power: 66,389,596,756,065) | | Originally Posted by D.W.Washburn  A God who would send someone like you straight to hell is not a God worthy of worship. I believe that God is much better than any of us can know.  |
24th October 2009, 06:12 PM
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Reps: 83,019,311,874,560,624 (power: 83,019,311,874,567) | | Originally Posted by Hamlet - Act 4, Scene 3 KING CLAUDIUS
Now, Hamlet, where's Polonius?
HAMLET
At supper.
KING CLAUDIUS
At supper! where?
HAMLET
Not where he eats, but where he is eaten: a certain
convocation of politic worms are e'en at him. Your
worm is your only emperor for diet: we fat all
creatures else to fat us, and we fat ourselves for
maggots: your fat king and your lean beggar is but
variable service, two dishes, but to one table:
that's the end.
KING CLAUDIUS
Alas, alas!
HAMLET
A man may fish with the worm that hath eat of a
king, and eat of the fish that hath fed of that worm.
KING CLAUDIUS
What dost you mean by this?
HAMLET
Nothing but to show you how a king may go a
progress through the guts of a beggar.
KING CLAUDIUS
Where is Polonius?
HAMLET
In heaven; send hither to see: if your messenger
find him not there, seek him i' the other place
yourself. But indeed, if you find him not within
this month, you shall nose him as you go up the
stairs into the lobby.
KING CLAUDIUS
Go seek him there.
To some Attendants
HAMLET
He will stay till ye come.
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24th October 2009, 06:35 PM
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Reps: 5,825,286,539,019 (power: 0) | | | Another way of looking at it would be to believe that a holy God of justice has to punish evil and wrongdoing... and that a God who would just gloss over the crap is not a God worthy or worship or belief. |
24th October 2009, 08:12 PM
|  | Legend
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Reps: 649,453,483,044,968,320 (power: 649,453,483,044,995) | | Originally Posted by paxi1334 Another way of looking at it would be to believe that a holy God of justice has to punish evil and wrongdoing... and that a God who would just gloss over the crap is not a God worthy or worship or belief.
Depends on if one can justify an infinite punishment for finite crimes. That's like giving a life sentence to a college pot smoker don't you think?
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24th October 2009, 09:30 PM
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Reps: 1,528,090,958,814 (power: 1,528,090,967) | | Originally Posted by paxi1334 Another way of looking at it would be to believe that a holy God of justice has to punish evil and wrongdoing... and that a God who would just gloss over the crap is not a God worthy or worship or belief.
This reduces God to an automaton. Or a tyrant.
And who said God glosses over the crap?
And then there's the question of justice. Is God's justice punitive (i.e. giving people what they deserve) or distributive (i.e. giving people what they need). There is certainly biblical warrant for a view of God's justice as punitive, but the witness of the Christ and the prophets is that God's justice is distributive.
Still, you haven't answered your own questions from the original post.
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24th October 2009, 10:40 PM
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(I plan to answer my own questions soon) |
24th October 2009, 10:51 PM
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Reps: 14,293,166,097,171,188 (power: 14,293,166,097,182) | | Don't even get me started on what the Bible says (or doesn't say) about a lot of things  Not exactly a hugely reliable resource.
I thought you were just asking some questions here, didn't see this as a debate. I still don't. What I say stands, despite your follow up statements. It doesn't change how I view things at all 
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24th October 2009, 11:42 PM
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Reps: 1,528,090,958,814 (power: 1,528,090,967) | | Originally Posted by paxi1334 Christ had a lot to say about some people being damned...
(I plan to answer my own questions soon)
Those people being the ones who did not participate in God's distributive justice.
(I wait with 'bated breath).
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25th October 2009, 06:44 PM
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The Bible IS a reliable Source!!! It is the word Of God and to Say otherwise is Calling God a liar!! God's Word is complete Truth and He is the word, the Living word. He is the same yesterday and today and forevermore, His word is surely faithful and true and His goodness and mercy shall endure forever....John 1:14 The word became flesh and Made His dwelling among Us . We have seen His Glory of the One and Only, Who came from the Father,full of Grace and Truth...Amen....Dave
