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Old 21st October 2009, 06:39 AM
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References to Hell in OT

Hi guys. Im interested in learning about Hell in the OT. Ive noticed that Jesus and the NT mentions Hell a whole lot more then it is mentioned in the OT or Jewish scriptures. Id like to understand why a bit more fully, as well as discuss the references that are made to hell. Could you help me out. I found a couple of verses in OT that discuss eternal condemnation, the most striking and obvious one is in Daniel 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. Another one is in Isaiah Is 33:14 14 The sinners in Zion are terrified; trembling grips the godless: "Who of us can dwell with the consuming fire? Who of us can dwell with everlasting burning?" Can you help me find anymore references to eternal condemnation in the Jewish scriptures. Thank you!
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Old 21st October 2009, 06:41 AM
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Old 23rd October 2009, 05:05 AM
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Ok? for some reason I cant make paragraphs! lol, also the quotes thingy wont work. So I hope you can understand what Im saying up there.
Sure do, HTML tags have been appearing in EDIT and PREVIEW for a couple of days now. It's a little frustrating.

From Naves:

HELL. The word used in the King James Version of the O.T. to translate the Hebrew word sheol, signifying the unseen state, in Deut. 32:22; 2 Sam. 22:6; Job 11:8; 26:6; Psa. 9:17; 16:10; 18:5; 55:15; 86:13; 116:3; 139:8; Prov. 5:5; 7:27; 9:18; 15:11, 24; 23:14; 27:20; Isa. 5:14; 14:9, 15; 28:15, 18; 57:9; Ezek. 31:16, 17; 32:21, 27; Amos 9:2; Jonah 2:2; Hab. 2:5

The Future Abode of the Wicked: Psa. 9:17; Prov. 5:5; Prov. 9:13–17; Prov. 15:24; Prov. 23:13, 14; Isa. 30:33; Isa. 33:14

Realm, or State, of the Dead, usually expressed in Hebrew by Sheol and in Greek by Hades: 2 Sam. 22:6; Job 26:5; Psa. 6:5; Psa. 17:15; Psa. 30:9; Psa. 49:15; Psa. 86:13; Psa. 88:10–12; Psa. 115:17; Psa. 116:3; Prov. 15:24; Prov. 21:16; Prov. 27:20; Eccl. 9:4–6; Isa. 5:14; Jonah 2:2
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Thank you ever so much for going to such trouble!

Hi Genifer, it was truly no trouble at all. It was just a copy/paste out of my Libronix Library's Nave's Topical Index. You don't even need Libronix, you can get it online too and all those references will be clickable to boot ..

Go here: http://www.htmlbible.com/kjv30/nave/index.htm
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Sheol is the Hebrew word and should not have been translated "hell" because it's just the common grave. Sheol is in the hebrew 65 times and refers to the grave. The translators used "hell" to give the idea that there is eternal torture, but that can't be supported by those verses.
Dan. 12:2 doesn't mention hell or torture--just shame. Some who are resurrected during the millennium will not respond to Jesus' rulership and will experience shame and even die prematurely (Isa. 65:20).
Isa. 33:14 uses fire in a figurative sense as seen in verse 11,12. just like stubble, grass, limes, and thorns are burned up, the wicked will be the same. Where do thorns and grass go when they are burned? nowhere. they're gone. What a good example of what happens to the dead--they cease to exist-- eccl. 9:5.
The best explanation of what happens to the wicked is when the first wicked human was sentenced by God's own mouth: Gen.3:19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."
If eternal torment were true, wouldn't this be a good time for God to let the human family know? But He said "to dust you will return". RETURN means to go back to where you were before. where was Adam before he was created? nowhere! just dust. That's exactly where he RETURNED. The teaching of eternal torment is an old greek idea developed by Satan himself to make God look like an abusive Father. If i burn my children, I'll go to jail!
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Thanks Steve4Truth. This is what I wanted to discuss actually. So, what is the NT talking about when they talk about Hell? Hades? I noticed in Revelation its talking about the lake of fire, death and hades are thrown there, and I believe unrepentant sinners.

Would you be willing to further discuss this? Do you believe a person has to accept Christ before he dies in order to gain eternal life? This is what Im interested in and what led me to ask about the scriptural references to hell in the OT. I want to understand better what hell is! I noticed in Genesis account of creation, there is no mention that God created a place called hell the way he created the heavens and the earth.
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I noticed that most of the NT doesn't mention eternal torment either--only about 15 references to fire in 2 places: the parables of Jesus and Revelations. The big debate is whether the talk about fire is literal or figurative of eternal destruction. To me, the fact that only 2 parts of the Bible talk about it and those are the 2 most figurative parts of the Bible leads me to conclude that it's a figurative way of saying that when wicked people die, they are completely dead--gone--just like grass that has been thrown in the fire. No resurrection. no eternal life. just dead--the opposite of life. Rom. 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in [fn] Christ Jesus our Lord."
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Thanks Steve4Truth. This is what I wanted to discuss actually. So, what is the NT talking about when they talk about Hell? Hades? I noticed in Revelation its talking about the lake of fire, death and hades are thrown there, and I believe unrepentant sinners.

Would you be willing to further discuss this? Do you believe a person has to accept Christ before he dies in order to gain eternal life? This is what Im interested in and what led me to ask about the scriptural references to hell in the OT. I want to understand better what hell is! I noticed in Genesis account of creation, there is no mention that God created a place called hell the way he created the heavens and the earth.
A person must accept Christ in order to be saved there is quite simply no other way. There are ample of scriptures which state this clearly. Jesus himself said,

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Hell is a very real place indeed - make no mistake!...

Matthew 25:41
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Steve, your understanding that people who do not believe in God become purley dead is totally wrong. I don't say this to critcize you in anyway but I say this with love and no ill intensions.

Here are just a very short list of scripture which shows that people do indeed become resurrected - both good and bad - no one will remain "purley dead."

Matthew 3:12
His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat [believers in Christ] into the barn and burning up the chaff [non-believers] with unquenchable fire."

Matthew 25:46
"Then they [non-believers] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous [believers in Christ] to eternal life."

Matthew 12:36
But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
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Matthew 3:12
His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat [believers in Christ] into the barn and burning up the chaff [non-believers] with unquenchable fire."
What happens to chaff when it is thrown into fire? Does it burn forever?????

Matthew 25:46
"Then they [non-believers] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous [believers in Christ] to eternal life."
What is that eternal punishment? Jn. 3:16 "might not perish...." perish means to cease to exist. Eternal life means you live and keep living. eternal death means you die and stay dead.

Matthew 12:36
But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
yes, When God judges us, every word we ever spoke--especially in regard to His Son will be taken into account.
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