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21st October 2009, 10:32 PM
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Reps: 342,140,351,767,773 (power: 342,140,351,776) | | Originally Posted by Zaac  Isn't it kinda silly to ask folks who haven't trusted in Christ whether something is Christlike? 
Seeing as it is most often those who do not represent Christ that are the objective ones in judging things, no, I do not believe it is silly. I think it better represents how things are perceived. Thanks for your concern.
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21st October 2009, 11:08 PM
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Reps: 249,628,905,717,885,440 (power: 249,628,905,717,902) | | Originally Posted by jawsmetroid Seeing as it is most often those who do not represent Christ that are the objective ones in judging things, no, I do not believe it is silly. I think it better represents how things are perceived. Thanks for your concern.
That's just it. If you don't know Christ, how are you gonna judge what is Christlike?
Folks can be objective as they like. But if you don't know Christ, there is no frame of reference, at least from a discernment perspective, of what Christlike is.
Now we all know that the reason for this thread( or the reason that will be perceived) is that there are a lot of homosexuals and the people who don't see anything wrong with homosexual sex or who don't like the fact that it is preached that God's word calls homosexual sex a sin in this forum.  And that's not to say that you are one of the aforementioned.
But I will sit back and wait to see how many are gonna cosign because they are offended that God's word is preached.
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21st October 2009, 11:10 PM
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Reps: 342,140,351,767,773 (power: 342,140,351,776) | | Originally Posted by PhilosophicalBluster Immoral? No.
Annoying? Yes.
Annoying, interesting you should mention that word. In that it is annoying, does it make you more or less likely to view the person perpetrating such 'annoying' postage as credible? Part of Christian beliefs is what Paul wrote, and Paul wrote that 'so far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone'. Do you feel that the annoying posts in question live up to this mandate?
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21st October 2009, 11:16 PM
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Reps: 342,140,351,767,773 (power: 342,140,351,776) | | Originally Posted by Zaac That's just it. If you don't know Christ, how are you gonna judge what is Christlike?
Why, with their knowlege of the Bible, of course. You don't think they actually come to a Christian forum without knowing anything about it, do you? Folks can be objective as they like. But if you don't know Christ, there is no frame of reference, at least from a discernment perspective, of what Christlike is.
It matters not if you know him, it matters if you know what Christ was like, thus, Christlike. What Christ was like is written in the Gospels, no? Now we all know that the reason for this thread is that there are a lot of homosexuals and the people who don't see anything wrong with homosexual sex or who don't like the fact that it is preached that God's word calls homosexual sex a sin in this forum.
Do we? That is not the purpose of the original post, or my intent. I, as a break before I jump back into things, am wondering how I can best reach my audience. After all, I have chatted about my beliefs quite thoroughly and I believe that I can add something new to the mix. But I will sit back and wait to see how may are gonna cosign because they are offended that God's word is preached.
Probably not many, as that is not the question I would like answered. I simply want to know how ethical they think the methods being pursued in this forum are.
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21st October 2009, 11:20 PM
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Reps: 416,617,700,174,524,864 (power: 416,617,700,174,543) | | Originally Posted by Zaac That's just it. If you don't know Christ, how are you gonna judge what is Christlike?
Folks can be objective as they like. But if you don't know Christ, there is no frame of reference, at least from a discernment perspective, of what Christlike is. Now we all know that the reason for this thread( or the reason that will be perceived) is that there are a lot of homosexuals and the people who don't see anything wrong with homosexual sex or who don't like the fact that it is preached that God's word calls homosexual sex a sin in this forum. And that's not to say that you are one of the aforementioned.
But I will sit back and wait to see how many are gonna cosign because they are offended that God's word is preached.
The only one perceiving that is you, Zaac, the OP was very clear in what it's asking and it has very little to do with a specific issue and a lot to do with methodology.
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dir="ltr"> "Offense" is something TAKEN. No one MAKES anyone feel anything. IF we are offended by something, we CHOSE to be offended by it...
But I think that OFTEN, people confuse discussion with fighting. Disagreeing is not personal, it is not an attack, it is not disrespectful or flaming, it is not offensive per se. It ONLY means, "I disagree." Nothing more. Nothing less. It suggests NO emotional response whatsoever.
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Reps: 342,140,351,767,773 (power: 342,140,351,776) | | Originally Posted by Godschild87 The only one perceiving that is you, Zaac, the OP was very clear in what it's asking and it has very little to do with a specific issue and a lot to do with methodology.
Whilst I appreciate the support, why the bluntness? I'm sure he has good reason for his post, having 7000 posts to his name.
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Reps: 416,617,700,174,524,864 (power: 416,617,700,174,543) | | Originally Posted by jawsmetroid Whilst I appreciate the support, why the bluntness? I'm sure he has good reason for his post, having 7000 posts to his name.
Zaac here seems to think that the way to reach people is to preach at them, that's why. Rather than listening or loving.
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dir="ltr"> "Offense" is something TAKEN. No one MAKES anyone feel anything. IF we are offended by something, we CHOSE to be offended by it...
But I think that OFTEN, people confuse discussion with fighting. Disagreeing is not personal, it is not an attack, it is not disrespectful or flaming, it is not offensive per se. It ONLY means, "I disagree." Nothing more. Nothing less. It suggests NO emotional response whatsoever.
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21st October 2009, 11:29 PM
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Reps: 342,140,351,767,773 (power: 342,140,351,776) | | Originally Posted by Godschild87 Zaac here seems to think that the way to reach people is to preach at them, that's why. Rather than listening or loving.
Well, please keep your disagreement out of my thread. I am trying to get answers from unbelievers, not believers.
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Reps: 249,628,905,717,885,440 (power: 249,628,905,717,902) | | Originally Posted by jawsmetroid Why, with their knowlege of the Bible, of course. You don't think they actually come to a Christian forum without knowing anything about it, do you?
I'm sure that they have some idea of how they THINK Christians are supposed to act or be. But I can tell ya from past experience, that it is very rare that a nonChristian has a correct idea about who we are supposed to be in Christ. Especially when, as is the case in this forum, there are so many Christians teaching false doctrines that affirm that which God calls sin. It matters not if you know him, it matters if you know what Christ was like, thus, Christlike. What Christ was like is written in the Gospels, no?
Yes. But can they really understand what is written without the Holy Spirit? Do we? That is not the purpose of the original post, or my intent. I, as a break before I jump back into things, am wondering how I can best reach my audience. After all, I have chatted about my beliefs quite thoroughly and I believe that I can add something new to the mix.
I'll be praying that you can be used by God.  Probably not many, as that is not the question I would like answered. I simply want to know how ethical they think the methods being pursued in this forum are.
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Reps: 342,140,351,767,773 (power: 342,140,351,776) | | Originally Posted by Zaac I'm sure that they have some idea of how they THINK Christians are supposed to act or be. But I can tell ya from past experience, that it is very rare that a nonChristian has a correct idea about who we are supposed to be in Christ.
By not having to follow it or take grief from us; however, they are more apt to view things more logically and objectively. For example, earlier in this thread somebody made a comment about humility: we know Christ was humble, so their statement is spot-on. Especially when, as is the case in this forum, there are so many Christians teaching false doctrines that affirm that which God calls sin.
Please do not bring any disagreements into my thread. Yes. But can they really understand what is written without the Holy Spirit?
Probably not as well as those of us who study it most of our lives, but they can understand the general gist of what it's saying. I'll be praying that you can be used by God.
Understand.
I appreciate it. I will be praying for you as well.
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