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19th October 2009, 11:01 PM
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I am just curious about a few things. I thought Methodist church was one of the oldest Protestant denominations out there and it affirms the faith of the early church in terms of God's nature. I know this because my wife's was accepted into Orthodox Church without requiring baptism, her Methodist baptism was valid, and that was done in the name of Trinity. Now there is a character on this forum flashing the Methodist faith icon. He rejects Trinity, skeptical, if that is correct magnitude of the word, about gospel authorship and early church history. Here is a couple of pearls... I am a member of the Methodist Church, an organization. Trinitarians, or nontrinitarians are those profess a belief or lack of belief in a late pagan polytheistic tradition originating in Grecian mythology.
One can be a member of any organization and profess one or the other.
Here is my question, does Methodist Church, this "organization" as our friend puts it, that adheres to the doctrine of Trinity in their Statement of Faith on their official website, also approves/acknowledges otherwise? The dude is pro-Arian heresy. Being Orthodox, there is no gray area to this for me, maybe we can say that, in the Episcopalian church, their liberal approach towards homosexuals etc, that can be considered a gray area for them, is this a similar situation for the Methodist "organization" where non-Trinitarians can deny one of the main tenets of Christian faith? I believe not... It is possible that this person is a dishonest individual posing as Methodist to gain access to certain forums.
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However, what I think this is a case of is a lack of congregational discipline - as far as I know, Methodist churches don't practice excommunication (which IMO would somewhat seem at odds with the open communion practiced by most, if not all, of them). I'm sure clergy, on the other hand, can have disciplinary action brought against them and defrocked for things like this. I just don't think that the congregation is subject to it also. That said, this would certainly be an extremely isolated situation.
The use of calling it an 'organization' also strikes me as a tad fishy. Organizations don't have to be internally consistent (for instance, the members of the World Council of Churches surely don't agree with every single other member on every single issue, but the purpose of it is to further the ecumenical cause); denominations, on the other hand, do have to be internally consistent to even be called a 'denomination' in the first place. There's bound to be some internal differences of opinion in any denomination, but the relative differences between conflicts within one denom would logically be smaller than the differences to an entirely different one.
When it comes to gospel authorship, I don't know what the official statement is, if there even is one. However, I'd assume it's in line with Tradition on the matter; I'm not sure if the talk about Q and all the developments on that front are opposed or not.
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20th October 2009, 12:47 AM
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20th October 2009, 01:18 AM
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22nd October 2009, 07:25 PM
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With his aggressiveness, I don't know if I should engage him any further.
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Thank you, but did you mean "non-Trinitarian"? 
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