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Old 7th November 2009, 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by laconicstudent View Post
Just why are you in the science forum then?
Simply being hypocritically antagonistic towards science, that's all.
Which is why AV1611VET deserves to be ignored on this specific forum.

Not that anyone will actually take that step
Too many people enjoy attacking non-sequitur statements made by him (because he's an EASY target) and others like him, to the end that they are supposedly "educating the lurkers".
All they're doing is feeding AV's ego.
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Old 7th November 2009, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by kangitanka View Post
Simply being hypocritically antagonistic towards science, that's all.
I liked pgp's answer better.
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Calm down ladies, I don't want my shiny thread sullied by a flame war.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
No. Yes.
I thought so. Thanks for answering .

Originally Posted by Doveaman View Post
You lost me at “Hawking”.
I thought I might. He's a very smart man, much smarter than you or I. That doesn't make him automatically right, but it does make him an expert on the field. I, for one, defer to his expertise over those of a layman.

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The reason is because astronomers hypothesized the observed “dark flow” we discussed as being influenced by gravity beyond the event horizon which we cannot observe.
I believe you mean the particle horizon. Event horizons are associated with black holes.

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Astronomers seem to see an influence between the “then” (beyond the event horizon) and the “after” (the observed universe), so I guess when Mr. Hawking made that statement the “dark flow” was not yet observed. Either that or he is not keeping up with his work load.
If you're going to use his epithet, use the right one. He's a professor at Cambridge.

Anyway, dark flow simply refers to a supposed net movement of galaxies towards a patch of sky. If there is such a movement, and there is much debate on whether it actually exists as a statistical phenomenon, I hardly see that as a problem for our theories. What, exactly, is your problem with dark flow?
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Old 7th November 2009, 09:48 AM
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Calm down ladies, I don't want my shiny thread sullied by a flame war.
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Old 7th November 2009, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiccan_Child View Post
I believe you mean the particle horizon. Event horizons are associated with black holes.
I thought they were use interchangeably, are they not?: Event horizon of the observable universe. Am I wrong?

I think I'll use 'particle horizon' from now on, though, to avoid any confusion. Thanks.

Anyway, dark flow simply refers to a supposed net movement of galaxies towards a patch of sky. If there is such a movement, and there is much debate on whether it actually exists as a statistical phenomenon, I hardly see that as a problem for our theories.
We'll see if that's true when they continue to find more. And I believe they will.
What, exactly, is your problem with dark flow?
No problem for me, but they're sure to become a problem for big bang theorists. I'm sure they'll just tweak the model to make them fit, though.

Dark holes, dark matter, dark energy, and now dark flows. I think the universe is going dark on the big bang theory. Don't you?

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Originally Posted by Doveaman View Post
I thought they were use interchangeably, are they not?: Event horizon of the observable universe. Am I wrong?

Eh, I suppose it's technically the horizon beyond which we can't see events. But the phrase 'event horizon' refers specifically to black holes. The particle horizon is analogous to the one in black holes, but it's not the same.

But this is just splitting hairs.

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We'll see if that's true when they continue to find more. And I believe they will.
Let's not jump the gun.

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No problem for me, but they're sure to become a problem for big bang theorists. I'm sure they'll just tweak the model to make them fit, though.
I'm sure they will. All science works that way: adapting to new data, throwing out the old if it proves unworkable.
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Why does coca-cola and menthos explode?



it's beautiful ... is it what all scientists want for Christmas?
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Why does coca-cola and menthos explode?


it's beautiful ... is it what all scientists want for Christmas?
Always liked this video better.

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