At least if we suppose that the Biblical account corresponds with historical reality - which, based on archaeological evidence, it apparently doesn't.
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A bible archaeology web book covering the historical evidences for Jesus and ... from a variety of sources found outside of the Bible that prove it's accuracy. ... Caiaphas, Herod Agrippa, as well as Moses & Pharaoh, Joshua, Balaam, ... www.biblehistory.net/ - Cached - Similar
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__________________ 2 Timothy 2 : 23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
Why would Joshua be worse than the crusaders?? The land did not belong to the crusaders but it did to Josua and his people.
Imagine the following:
You and your people are living on a stretch of land that has been in your tribe's keeping for a long time. You were born here, and expect to spend your whole life here as well, as did all your ancestors for many generations.
One day, another tribe appears on your doorstep, armed to the teeth, claiming that the land is theirs because their ancestors used to live there, several hundred years ago. Obviously, none of them has ever set foot in your country before, yet still they claim that they own it by virtue of having their God present it as a gift to them.
But that's not the worst part. They also have no intention whatsoever of sharing the land with you - as you do not follow the same religion as they do. In fact, their priests say that in order to stay spiritually pure, they need to kill all of you: not just the warriors, but also all the rest. Women, children, the elderly, the helpless, even your LIFESTOCK. (Well, they'll eventually end up disobeying their god by keeping a couple of virgin girls as spoils of war, but that's little comfort for you.)
And now, tell me again that Joshua wasn't worse than the crusaders.
As for the historicity: Apologetics sites also try to claim to this day that the global flood was a historical event, so these are hardly impressive. Here's what Wikipedia has to say on the topic, for starters:
"While the Bible holds Joshua out to be a real historical figure, many modern archeologists find that there is no definite extra-biblical evidence for Joshua's existence.[7] Others see a middle ground. For example, archeologist William G. Dever, who on the one hand has been scathing in his dismissal of "minimalists" who deny any historical value to the Biblical accounts, also says this, "The Biblical narratives about Abraham, Moses, Joshua and Solomon probably reflect some historical memories of people and places, but the 'larger than life' portraits of the Bible are unrealistic and contradicted by the archaeological evidence."[8]"
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the sky becomes filthy,
the earth becomes depleted,
the equilibrium crumbles,
creatures become extinct.
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Why would Joshua be worse than the crusaders?? The land did not belong to the crusaders but it did to Josua and his people.
One word: genocide.
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Imagine the following:
You and your people are living on a stretch of land that has been in your tribe's keeping for a long time. You were born here, and expect to spend your whole life here as well, as did all your ancestors for many generations.
One day, another tribe appears on your doorstep, armed to the teeth, claiming that the land is theirs because their ancestors used to live there, several hundred years ago. Obviously, none of them has ever set foot in your country before, yet still they claim that they own it by virtue of having their God present it as a gift to them.
But that's not the worst part. They also have no intention whatsoever of sharing the land with you - as you do not follow the same religion as they do. In fact, their priests say that in order to stay spiritually pure, they need to kill all of you: not just the warriors, but also all the rest. Women, children, the elderly, the helpless, even your LIFESTOCK. (Well, they'll eventually end up disobeying their god by keeping a couple of virgin girls as spoils of war, but that's little comfort for you.)
And now, tell me again that Joshua wasn't worse than the crusaders.
As for the historicity: Apologetics sites also try to claim to this day that the global flood was a historical event, so these are hardly impressive. Here's what Wikipedia has to say on the topic, for starters:
"While the Bible holds Joshua out to be a real historical figure, many modern archeologists find that there is no definite extra-biblical evidence for Joshua's existence.[7] Others see a middle ground. For example, archeologist William G. Dever, who on the one hand has been scathing in his dismissal of "minimalists" who deny any historical value to the Biblical accounts, also says this, "The Biblical narratives about Abraham, Moses, Joshua and Solomon probably reflect some historical memories of people and places, but the 'larger than life' portraits of the Bible are unrealistic and contradicted by the archaeological evidence."[8]"
Yes God allows bad things to happen to cultures who are against him , his people and his Commandments.
Can you imagine whats worse is what is going to happne to them in the next life???Ouch !!
A bible archaeology web book covering the historical evidences for Jesus and ... from a variety of sources found outside of the Bible that prove it's accuracy. ... Caiaphas, Herod Agrippa, as well as Moses & Pharaoh, Joshua, Balaam, ... www.biblehistory.net/ - Cached - Similar
<LI class=g>Archaeology proves the Bible to be accurate
Archaeology proves the accuracy of the Bible. ...Joshua and the army of Israelites were able to rush into the city and gain a victory. Archaeologists have ... beyondthisplanet.org/bible/No.../accurate_history1.htm - Cached - Similar
<LI class=g>Archeology Proves Bible History Accurate ....Page 34
This stele proves that his son Belshazzar was co-regent with him (Daniel 5; 7:1; 8:1). ...Archaeology has proven that the Bible is accurate history! ... www.s8int.com/page34.html - Cached - Similar
__________________ 2 Timothy 2 : 23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
Yes God allows bad things to happen to cultures who are against him , his people and his Commandments.
Can you imagine whats worse is what is going to happne to them in the next life???Ouch !!
What are you trying to say here - that GOD is worse than the crusaders as well?
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the sky becomes filthy,
the earth becomes depleted,
the equilibrium crumbles,
creatures become extinct.
--Lao-tzu, Tao Te Ching
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What are you trying to say here - that GOD is worse than the crusaders as well?
Nope I am saying Joshua was not as bad as the people he killed. That is why God allowed him to do it.
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I dont have the right to judge if they are good or not.
But does this say these that will go to heaven live a sinless life?? No because noone can lead a sinless life.
You cannot just ignore this very clear and plain scripture because it does not go along with a man made doctrine you have been taught ot believe.
Here ya go they do not have the law and they are not sinless but it plainly states they will go to heaven after the resurrection.
Romans 2 : 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,( because they are Muslim and have always been taught false things and have never heard the truth ) do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
I disagree with you. Jesus said he is the only way to God. I hope one day you can see the error of your belief and repent.
Here is the testimony of Jesus, John, and Peter:
"I am the way, and the truth and the life. No one can get to the Father except by means of Me..." - Jesus (John 14:6)
"The testimony is this: God has given us eternal life and this life has its source in His Son. Whoever has the Son has this life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life" - The apostle John (1 John 5:11, 12).
"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." - The apostle Peter (Acts 4:12)
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why not live a life of sin and repent after?? well for one you don't know when you will stand before God and if you are standing before God then it is to late to repent..
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I disagree with you. Jesus said he is the only way to God. I hope one day you can see the error of your belief and repent.
Here is the testimony of Jesus, John, and Peter:
"I am the way, and the truth and the life. No one can get to the Father except by means of Me..." - Jesus (John 14:6)
"The testimony is this: God has given us eternal life and this life has its source in His Son. Whoever has the Son has this life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life" - The apostle John (1 John 5:11, 12).
"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." - The apostle Peter (Acts 4:12)
yep here is their way after the resurrection.
Romans 2 : 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,( because they are Muslim and have always been taught false things and have never heard the truth ) do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
__________________ 2 Timothy 2 : 23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
Agreed except puting moses Joshua and the crusaders in the same category is kinda ignorant.
But yes even Hindus and Msulim Terrorists too, can go if they have been blinded with lies their whole life and never had a chance to know the truth in order to deny it , if they still have a good heart according to God they can go to heaven.
This is what the Bible says right here.
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Romans 2 : 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
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