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30th October 2009, 05:04 PM
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Reps: 315,242,603,044,083 (power: 315,242,603,051) | | Originally Posted by Wicked Willow  That epistle reminds the Gentiles how they felt prior to learning the Good News - namely that they were already saved, with God extending his hand to them: they were without God in the world.
Christianity is not about earning salvation - it's about celebrating the same to the fullest extent.
I disagree....the gentiles were naturally cut off from God prior to Jesus...
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30th October 2009, 06:53 PM
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Reps: 159,784,663,935,918,112 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by RMDY I disagree....the gentiles were naturally cut off from God prior to Jesus...
That's not a counter-argument, that's simply a statement. |
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Originally Posted by RMDY How can their sins be atoned for if they do not have the Law of Moses or Jesus?
I will let the bible answer that for you here.
Romans 2 : 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,( because they are Muslim and have always been taught false things and have never heard the truth ) do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
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30th October 2009, 10:31 PM
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Do you believe that gentiles, who do not have the law, can be 'good' people? Furthermore, on the topic of their righteousness, do you believe that any gentile who does not have Jesus or the Law can live a sinless life?
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Originally Posted by RMDY Carey, I see there is some barriers between us, so I will have to deal with them one by one.
Do you believe that gentiles, who do not have the law, can be 'good' people? Furthermore, on the topic of their righteousness, do you believe that any gentile who does not have Jesus or the Law can live a sinless life?
I dont have the right to judge if they are good or not.
But does this say these that will go to heaven live a sinless life?? No because noone can lead a sinless life.
You cannot just ignore this very clear and plain scripture because it does not go along with a man made doctrine you have been taught ot believe.
Here ya go they do not have the law and they are not sinless but it plainly states they will go to heaven after the resurrection.
Romans 2 : 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,( because they are Muslim and have always been taught false things and have never heard the truth ) do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
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Reps: 9,747,563,653 (power: 9,747,566) | | Originally Posted by Carey Romans 2 : 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
If mass murderers like Moses, Joshua, crusaders, inquisitors then why not muslim terrorists too. |
31st October 2009, 12:23 PM
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Reps: 159,784,663,935,918,112 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by RMDY I disagree....the gentiles were naturally cut off from God prior to Jesus...
So you believe that the One True God, the very definition of Justice, Mercy, and Love, randomly picked a single tribe and neglected the rest of mankind for many, many millennia, leaving them all to perish in eternal damnation?
And you don't think that's a pretty blasphemous sentiment? (Not that I think any self-respecting deity would bother with the follies of Man - I mean, hey, even some human beings are above such petty rage; but it still doesn't paint a very flattering picture of God...) |
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Reps: 487,428,604,501,145,536 (power: 487,428,604,501,153) | | Originally Posted by Wicked Willow So you believe that the One True God, the very definition of Justice, Mercy, and Love, randomly picked a single tribe and neglected the rest of mankind for many, many millennia, leaving them all to perish in eternal damnation?
Jews believe people who live good rules and live by God's law are called 'righteous Gentiles', and will have a place in the afterlife anyway:
Righteous among the Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Therefore, non-Jews were entitiled to paradise as long as they lived righteous lives.
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Originally Posted by rcscwc If mass murderers like Moses, Joshua, crusaders, inquisitors then why not muslim terrorists too.
Agreed except puting moses Joshua and the crusaders in the same category is kinda ignorant.
But yes even Hindus and Msulim Terrorists too, can go if they have been blinded with lies their whole life and never had a chance to know the truth in order to deny it , if they still have a good heart according to God they can go to heaven.
This is what the Bible says right here.
Originally Posted by Carey  Romans 2 : 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
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Reps: 67,527,722,863,596,368 (power: 67,527,722,863,607) | | Originally Posted by Carey Agreed except puting moses Joshua and the crusaders in the same category is kinda ignorant.
Yeah, Joshua was much worse.
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