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Israeli Myth and facts

MYTH
"Israel discriminates against its Arab citizens."
FACT
Israel is one of the most open societies in the world. Out of a population of 6.7 million, about 1.3 million — 20 percent of the population — are non-Jews (approximately 1.1 million Muslims, 130,000 Christians and 100,000 Druze).1
Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights; in fact, it is one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women may vote. Arabs currently hold 8 seats in the 120-seat Knesset. Israeli Arabs have also held various government posts, including one who served as Israel's ambassador to Finland and the current deputy mayor of Tel Aviv. Oscar Abu Razaq was appointed Director General of the Ministry of Interior, the first Arab citizen to become chief executive of a key government ministry. Ariel Sharon's original cabinet included the first Arab minister, Salah Tarif, a Druze who served as a minister without portfolio. An Arab is also a Supreme Court justice.

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“Israel discriminates against its Arab citizens.”
“Israel discriminates against Israeli Arabs by barring them from buying land.”
“Israeli Arabs are discriminated against in employment.”
“Arabs held in Israeli jails are tortured, beaten and killed.”
“Israel uses administrative detention to imprison peaceful Arabs without trial.”
“Israel has long sought to deny residents of the West Bank and Gaza their political rights.”
“Israel is stealing water from Arabs in the territories. Israel allows Jews to drill wells, but prevents Arabs from doing so.”
“Israel's use of deportations violates the Fourth Geneva Convention.”
“Israel's treatment of Palestinians is similar to the treatment of blacks in apartheid South Africa.”
“Black African nations cut relations with Israel because of its racist policies toward Palestinians.”
“Israel is pursuing a policy of genocide toward the Palestinians that is comparable to the Nazis' treatment of the Jews.”
“Israel’s policies in the territories have caused a humanitarian crisis for the Palestinians.”
“Israel’s complaints about Palestinian terrorists hiding among civilians are just an effort to justify their murder of innocent people.”
“Israel demolishes homes in the Rafah refugee camp as part of its campaign to oppress the Palestinians.”
“Yasser Arafat is directing the Palestinian Authority’s resources to the health and welfare of the Palestinian people.”
“Israel is a theocracy and should not be a Jewish State.”
“Israeli textbooks are just as bad as those in the Palestinian Authority, filled with stereotypes, historical inaccuracies, and a failure to acknowledge alternative political views.”
“Israel poisoned Yasser Arafat.”
“Israel is persecuting Christians.”
“Israel is killing Palestinians with radiation spy machines.”
“Palestinians living under ‘occupation’ have the lowest standard of living in the Middle East.”
“Israeli checkpoints are unnecessarily preventing Palestinians from receiving medical attention.”
The Palestinian Authority protects Jewish holy sites.”

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We could go into the right to purchase land in certain areas of Israel, we could discuss political representation and liberty, and we could look at how couples who are half Israeli and half Arab are treated in Israel. Right now there is considerable outrage in the US about a Justice of the Peace who refused to marry a white woman and a black man... so let's start with marriage.

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The Geneva-based Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination unanimously approved a resolution saying the Israeli law violated an international human rights treaty.
However the Israeli ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva, accused the panel of bias. On 31 July the Israeli parliament approved a law preventing Palestinians married to Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship or residency.

Originally Posted by http://www.jkcook.net/Articles3/0426.htm
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NAZARETH // A local authority in Israel has announced that it is establishing a special team of youth counsellors and psychologists whose job it will be to identify young Jewish women who are dating Arab men and “rescue” them.

The move by the municipality of Petah Tikva, a city close to Tel Aviv, is the latest in a series of separate – and little discussed – initiatives from official bodies, rabbis, private organisations and groups of Israeli residents to try to prevent interracial dating and marriage.

In a related development, the Israeli media reported this month that residents of Pisgat Zeev, a large Jewish settlement in the midst of Palestinian neighbourhoods in East Jerusalem, had formed a vigilante-style patrol to stop Arab men from mixing with local Jewish girls.

Hostility to intimate relationships developing across Israel’s ethnic divide is shared by many Israeli Jews, who regard such behaviour as a threat to the state’s Jewishness. One of the few polls on the subject, in 2007, found that more than half of Israeli Jews believed intermarriage should be equated with “national treason”.

Since the state’s founding in 1948, analysts have noted, a series of legal and administrative measures have been taken by Israel to limit the possibilities of close links developing between Jewish and Arab citizens, the latter comprising a fifth of the population.

Largely segregated communities and separate education systems mean that there are few opportunities for young Arabs and Jews to become familiarised with each other. Even in the handful of “mixed cities”, Arab residents are usually confined to separate neighbourhoods.

In addition, civil marriage is banned in Israel, meaning that in the small number of cases where Jews and Arabs want to wed, they can do so only by leaving the country for a ceremony abroad. The marriage is recognised on the couple’s return.
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We could go into the right to purchase land in certain areas of Israel, we could discuss political representation and liberty, and we could look at how couples who are half Israeli and half Arab are treated in Israel. Right now there is considerable outrage in the US about a Justice of the Peace who refused to marry a white woman and a black man... so let's start with marriage.

FACT
Even before the State of Israel was established, Jewish leaders consciously sought to avoid the situation that prevailed in South Africa. As David Ben-Gurion told Palestinian nationalist Musa Alami in 1934:
We do not want to create a situation like that which exists in South Africa, where the whites are the owners and rulers, and the blacks are the workers. If we do not do all kinds of work, easy and hard, skilled and unskilled, if we become merely landlords, then this will not be our homeland.6
Today, within Israel, Jews are a majority, but the Arab minority are full citizens who enjoy equal rights. Arabs are represented in the Knesset, and have served in the Cabinet, high-level foreign ministry posts (e.g., Ambassador to Finland) and on the Supreme Court. Under apartheid, black South Africans could not vote and were not citizens of the country in which they formed the overwhelming majority of the population. Laws dictated where they could live, work and travel. And, in South Africa, the government killed blacks who protested against its policies. By contrast, Israel allows freedom of movement, assembly and speech. Some of the government's harshest critics are Israeli Arabs who are members of the Knesset.
The situation of Palestinians in the territories is different. The security requirements of the nation, and a violent insurrection in the territories, forced Israel to impose restrictions on Arab residents

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So your saying you have no response to the prejudice displayed against Israeli Arabs who want to marry Israeli Jews or against any Israeli who wants to marry a Palistinean except that South Africa was worse.

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Even before the State of Israel was established, Jewish leaders consciously sought to avoid the situation that prevailed in South Africa. As David Ben-Gurion told Palestinian nationalist Musa Alami in 1934:
We do not want to create a situation like that which exists in South Africa, where the whites are the owners and rulers, and the blacks are the workers. If we do not do all kinds of work, easy and hard, skilled and unskilled, if we become merely landlords, then this will not be our homeland.6
Today, within Israel, Jews are a majority, but the Arab minority are full citizens who enjoy equal rights. Arabs are represented in the Knesset, and have served in the Cabinet, high-level foreign ministry posts (e.g., Ambassador to Finland) and on the Supreme Court. Under apartheid, black South Africans could not vote and were not citizens of the country in which they formed the overwhelming majority of the population. Laws dictated where they could live, work and travel. And, in South Africa, the government killed blacks who protested against its policies. By contrast, Israel allows freedom of movement, assembly and speech. Some of the government's harshest critics are Israeli Arabs who are members of the Knesset.
The situation of Palestinians in the territories is different. The security requirements of the nation, and a violent insurrection in the territories, forced Israel to impose restrictions on Arab residents

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So your saying you have no response to the prejudice displayed against Israeli Arabs who want to marry Israeli Jews or against any Israeli who wants to marry a Palistinean except that South Africa was worse.
Well wouldnt it also be prujudice against Israeli jews then???
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Well wouldnt it also be prujudice against Israeli jews then???
I guess so????


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So your saying you have no response to the prejudice displayed against Israeli Arabs who want to marry Israeli Jews or against any Israeli who wants to marry a Palistinean except that South Africa was worse.
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Well wouldnt it also be prujudice against Israeli jews then???
Maybe if Palistineans were doing the same thing in reverse, thier not to my knowledge. So... no.
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MYTH
"Israel discriminates against its Arab citizens."
FACT
Israel is one of the most open societies in the world. Out of a population of 6.7 million, about 1.3 million — 20 percent of the population — are non-Jews (approximately 1.1 million Muslims, 130,000 Christians and 100,000 Druze).1
Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights; in fact, it is one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women may vote. Arabs currently hold 8 seats in the 120-seat Knesset. Israeli Arabs have also held various government posts, including one who served as Israel's ambassador to Finland and the current deputy mayor of Tel Aviv. Oscar Abu Razaq was appointed Director General of the Ministry of Interior, the first Arab citizen to become chief executive of a key government ministry. Ariel Sharon's original cabinet included the first Arab minister, Salah Tarif, a Druze who served as a minister without portfolio. An Arab is also a Supreme Court justice.

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“Israel discriminates against its Arab citizens.”
“Israel discriminates against Israeli Arabs by barring them from buying land.”
“Israeli Arabs are discriminated against in employment.”
“Arabs held in Israeli jails are tortured, beaten and killed.”
“Israel uses administrative detention to imprison peaceful Arabs without trial.”
“Israel has long sought to deny residents of the West Bank and Gaza their political rights.”
“Israel is stealing water from Arabs in the territories. Israel allows Jews to drill wells, but prevents Arabs from doing so.”
“Israel's use of deportations violates the Fourth Geneva Convention.”
“Israel's treatment of Palestinians is similar to the treatment of blacks in apartheid South Africa.”
“Black African nations cut relations with Israel because of its racist policies toward Palestinians.”
“Israel is pursuing a policy of genocide toward the Palestinians that is comparable to the Nazis' treatment of the Jews.”
“Israel’s policies in the territories have caused a humanitarian crisis for the Palestinians.”
“Israel’s complaints about Palestinian terrorists hiding among civilians are just an effort to justify their murder of innocent people.”
“Israel demolishes homes in the Rafah refugee camp as part of its campaign to oppress the Palestinians.”
“Yasser Arafat is directing the Palestinian Authority’s resources to the health and welfare of the Palestinian people.”
“Israel is a theocracy and should not be a Jewish State.”
“Israeli textbooks are just as bad as those in the Palestinian Authority, filled with stereotypes, historical inaccuracies, and a failure to acknowledge alternative political views.”
“Israel poisoned Yasser Arafat.”
“Israel is persecuting Christians.”
“Israel is killing Palestinians with radiation spy machines.”
“Palestinians living under ‘occupation’ have the lowest standard of living in the Middle East.”
“Israeli checkpoints are unnecessarily preventing Palestinians from receiving medical attention.”
The Palestinian Authority protects Jewish holy sites.”

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Maybe if Palistineans were doing the same thing in reverse, thier not to my knowledge. So... no.
well the Israelis are also doing ti to theirselves is what I meant...haha
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The Israelies are discriminating against themselves because they discriminate against Non-Jewish Israelies? Are they hurting fellow Israelies?Yes. Are they showing the world that they are racists? Sure. Are they discriminting against themselves? No, I don't think you can call it that.
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well the Israelis are also doing ti to theirselves is what I meant...haha
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