Ironically, more than 6% of the Palestinians population are Christians, and there's more Christians in the West Bank than there is in the whole of Israel.
My views on Israel are simple: two state solution. Israel doesn't need to be destroyed, just let the people on the Gaza Strip and West Bank rule themselves, develop their economy and military and for the love of God take down that massive fence that isolates the Palestinians from the rest of the world.
My views are a futher notch simpler: end the Israeli-occupation and make the citizenship-less Christian and Muslim Palestinians Israeli citizens with equal rights and responsibilities.
a) One-state solution to the problem: 1) end the Israeli-occupation and make the land legally part of the state of Israel and give the citizenship-less Christian and Muslim Arabs in the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories Israeli citizenship.
b) Two-state solution to the problem: 1) end the Israeli-occupation, 2)
make both the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory of West Bank and the Israeli-run detention camp of Gaza an independent state of Palestine, side by side with the state of Israel as was the original idea, and make the citizenship-less Christian and Muslim Arabs citizens of the new state of Palestine.
c) "Three-state" solution to the problem: 1) end the Israeli-occupation, 2) make the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory of West Bank an independent state of Palestine, side by side with the state of Israel, and make the citizenship-less Christian and Muslim Arabs in the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory of West Bank citizens of the new state of Palestine, and 3) open the border between the Israeli-run detention camp of Gaza and the state of Egypt, make Gaza strip part of Egypt and make the Christian and Muslim Arabs in Gaza citizens of Egypt.
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I am resolving now never to hold rancor, however justified it might be, toward a group of people, whatever their race, religion, conviction, prejudices, errors. -- Irčne Némirovsky
Cannons and fire-arms are cruel and damnable machines; I believe them to have been the direct suggestion of the Devil. If Adam had seen in a vision the horrible instruments his children were to invent, he would have died of grief. -- Martin Luther
Oh look in the face of actual historical facts out comes the theological dribble.
We rarely agree, but I do agree with this statement, concerning the arguement you quoted.
One can't argue the here and now, with religous quotes.
I tend to stay out of the Israel/Middle East discussion, because every time I think I find facts, I find a wall of reasons to tear apart the facts.
This doesn't tend to be one sided either.
Can the problems with Israel in the Middle East be solved? IMO, Not by any human. The hatred for each side is too great. So, I must accept that the turmoil will continue until the Anti Christ comes and fixes it. Yes, I am trusting in theological dribble, but I am not trying to argue a point with them.
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It takes a certain naivete to take a politician at their word....
"Remember laws are our friends, its the lawyers we have to look out for."
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A=b&B=c, so A=C
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Islam is not the problem, blind faith is.
Christians need to cast their nets in the sea of despair, not in the aquarium of church-----come, I will make you fishers of men.
I can't fathom how a Christian that's supposed to be so devout in his faith, worships a nation and a people so much. I never read in the Bible where you have to be an apologist for the nation of Israel in order to be a good Christian and I believe Jesus(PBUH) and Allah SWT might call it idolatry.
Christians do not support Israel killing Arabs or Arabs killing Israeli's.
Chritsians support Israel being a Nation and having the right to rule istelf as any nation does because the bible predicted it.
__________________ 2 Timothy 2 : 23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
I didn't collectively group Christians as you do Muslims. I'm pointing out you in your worship of Israel and Jews.
I odnt worship them I just know they have no choice but to fight ebcause the Palestinians and many Arabs will not stop the violence.
This proves the Bible correct.
Nehemiah 2 : 19 But when Sanballat, Tobiah, and Geshem the Arab heard of our plan, they scoffed contemptuously. “What are you doing? Are you rebelling against the king?” they asked. 20 I replied, “The God of heaven will help us succeed. We, his servants, will start rebuilding this wall. But you have no share, legal right, or historic claim in Jerusalem.”
Gensis 17 : 7 I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. 8 The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God."
19 Then God said, "Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. [d] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac
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Originally Posted by Carey
I odnt worship them I just know they have no choice but to fight ebcause the Palestinians and many Arabs will not stop the violence.
Let me say this again. By your blinded support of Israeli destruction of Palestine, you are an apostate to your faith. You are supporting the killings of not only Muslims but Christians also. Palestinians are both Muslim and Christian.
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MYTH "Israel discriminates against its Arab citizens."
Yet there are over 8 million Palestinians under Israeli military control and occupation that are not considered citizens, have no rights under Israeli law and are subject to consistent human rights abuses at the hands of Israeli tyranny.
kind of similar to how South Africa claimed it wasn't oppressing blacks because they wern't citizens of South Africa, they were citizens of their respective "homelands".
FACT
Even before the State of Israel was established, Jewish leaders consciously sought to avoid the situation that prevailed in South Africa. As David Ben-Gurion told Palestinian nationalist Musa Alami in 1934:
"With compulsory transfer we [would] have a vast area [for settlement] .... I support compulsory transfer. I don't see anything immoral in it." - Ben-Gurion
Today, within Israel, Jews are a majority, but the Arab minority are full citizens who enjoy equal rights.
Incorrect, jews are entitled to many rights which Arabs are not.
Under apartheid, black South Africans could not vote
Some of them could, just never enough to threaten the White dominance of goverment.... sound familiar (if you include all Palestinians under Israeli control citizens, they would outnumber Jews 2:1)
and were not citizens of the country in which they formed the overwhelming majority of the population.
Just like in Israel.... i thought you were trying to argue Israel wasn't like Apartheid in South Africa....
Ironically, more than 6% of the Palestinians population are Christians, and there's more Christians in the West Bank than there is in the whole of Israel.
My views on Israel are simple: two state solution. Israel doesn't need to be destroyed, just let the people on the Gaza Strip and West Bank rule themselves, develop their economy and military and for the love of God take down that massive fence that isolates the Palestinians from the rest of the world.
More, it's about 10% of the population in the West Bank, about 6% in refuge camps though out the middle east.
The total Christian Palestinian population world wide is about 20%, most of them were lucky enough to escape the refugee camps and have come to other middle eastern nations, europe or america since before the creation of Israel Palestinian Christians were traditionally wealthyer than Muslim counterparts.
in 1900, the land which would become "israel" was almost 35% Christian, msot of whom were ethnicaly cleansed and driven from their land by zionists. Countless holy sites, churches, icons and relics have been destoryed and desecrated by Israel.
It's well documented the desecration of Christian holy sites by Israeli troops. When they conqured Jerusulam it's proven that Israeli soilders would defecate inside churches.
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