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Old 21st October 2009, 03:28 AM
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Thanks for the biased link. Israel is known to have taken the land that has good soil and water available. The following is from your link..."The water issue for the Palestinians actually has little to do with Israel. According to the U.S. Agency for International Development, “The West Bank and Gaza suffer from a chronic water shortage, preventing sustained economic growth and negatively impacting the environment and health of Palestinians. The little water available is inefficiently used.” The analysis adds that “Palestinian ground water supplies have increasingly become polluted as a result of inadequate sewage treatment and over-pumping of wells. Untreated sewage is dumped in valleys and the Mediterranean Sea, decreasing the quality of the already inadequate groundwater supply, and polluting the soil, sea, and coastline.”"Nevermind the man behind the curtain! I am the great and powerful Oz!Face it, Israel stole Palestinian land and treats them poorly. Dancing around that fact with mealy mouthed nonsense just comes across as stupid.
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Old 21st October 2009, 02:28 PM
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Thanks for the biased link. Israel is known to have taken the land that has good soil and water available. The following is from your link..."The water issue for the Palestinians actually has little to do with Israel. According to the U.S. Agency for International Development, “The West Bank and Gaza suffer from a chronic water shortage, preventing sustained economic growth and negatively impacting the environment and health of Palestinians. The little water available is inefficiently used.” The analysis adds that “Palestinian ground water supplies have increasingly become polluted as a result of inadequate sewage treatment and over-pumping of wells. Untreated sewage is dumped in valleys and the Mediterranean Sea, decreasing the quality of the already inadequate groundwater supply, and polluting the soil, sea, and coastline.”"Nevermind the man behind the curtain! I am the great and powerful Oz!Face it, Israel stole Palestinian land and treats them poorly. Dancing around that fact with mealy mouthed nonsense just comes across as stupid.
No Israel took back their won Land as prophecied in the Bible.How long does if have to be Israeli land before you can accept it is Israeli land??It has been their land now since 1948
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I would say this is propaganda except most of it is so hollow that its more likely just complete garbage.
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FACT: Occupation comes first; resistance to occupation is a reaction to the said occupation.

FACT: The Israeli Foreign Ministry's legal adviser, Judge Theodor Meron, a holocaust survivor himself, told the government of Israel after the Six Day War of 1967 that it would be illegal to build Jewish settlements in the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories.

The Israeli Labour cabinet, however, chose to ignore the legal point of view of Israeli law and go ahead with the illegal settlement activity on Palestinian owned private land which is still ongoing.

The settlement activity on occupied land was illegal in 1967 and it remains illegal in 2009.

FACT: 39 percent (39%) of the land used by Jewish settlements in the Israeli-occupied Palestinian West Bank is private Palestinian property; 86.4% of the Maale Adumim settlement block -- the largest in the Israeli-occupied Palestinian West Bank and a home to 33,000 settlers, many of them Soviet-born "lifestyle" settlers whom the Israeli government pays to come squat on the Palestinian-owned land -- is built on private Palestinian-owned land without the legal Palestinian owners' permission.

Settling on land owned by someone else without permission or purchase of the said land is squatting. Squatting is illegal. Sqautting is a violation of international and Israeli law guaranteeing property rights in the occupied territories as well as being aganst the Israeli Supreme Court ruling of 1979 which specifically forbade the establishment of settlements on privately-owned Palestinian that has been seized by Israel for military purposes.

FACT: When you steal property and land that is legally owned by your neighbour, you become nothing but a thief. A criminal.

Court case reveals how settlers illegally grab West Bank lands

The Defense Ministry's database documents illegal construction in more than 30 settlements, including such veteran settlements as Ofra, Elon Moreh and Beit El. Worse, the document - which is being revealed today for the first time in an article by Uri Blau in Haaretz Magazine (in Hebrew) - details a scandalous amount of land theft by the "legal" settlements. Schools, synagogues and even police stations have been built on private Palestinian land.


FACT: On February 25, 1994, a US-born Jewish Israeli citizen Barusch Goldstein attacked the mosque in the Cave of the Patriarchs and slaughter-killed 29, injured 125, and traumatized 700 Muslim worshippers in what is known as the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre.

On April 16, 1994, Hamas leaders made the decision to pay in kind and adopt Goldstein's cold-blooded massacre tactics; the first Palestinian suicide bomb inside Israel went off in Afula, killing nine and injuring 50. Hamas then went ahead to carry on Goldstein's massacre-of-innocents tactics for the next decade 1994-2005.
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FACT: Occupation comes first; resistance to occupation is a reaction to the said occupation.

FACT: The Israeli Foreign Ministry's legal adviser, Judge Theodor Meron, a holocaust survivor himself, told the government of Israel after the Six Day War of 1967 that it would be illegal to build Jewish settlements in the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories.

The Israeli Labour cabinet, however, chose to ignore the legal point of view of Israeli law and go ahead with the illegal settlement activity on Palestinian owned private land which is still ongoing.

The settlement activity on occupied land was illegal in 1967 and it remains illegal in 2009.

FACT: 39 percent (39%) of the land used by Jewish settlements in the Israeli-occupied Palestinian West Bank is private Palestinian property; 86.4% of the Maale Adumim settlement block -- the largest in the Israeli-occupied Palestinian West Bank and a home to 33,000 settlers, many of them Soviet-born "lifestyle" settlers whom the Israeli government pays to come squat on the Palestinian-owned land -- is built on private Palestinian-owned land without the legal Palestinian owners' permission.

Settling on land owned by someone else without permission or purchase of the said land is squatting. Squatting is illegal. Sqautting is a violation of international and Israeli law guaranteeing property rights in the occupied territories as well as being aganst the Israeli Supreme Court ruling of 1979 which specifically forbade the establishment of settlements on privately-owned Palestinian that has been seized by Israel for military purposes.

FACT: When you steal property and land that is legally owned by your neighbour, you become nothing but a thief. A criminal.

Court case reveals how settlers illegally grab West Bank lands



FACT: On February 25, 1994, a US-born Jewish Israeli citizen Barusch Goldstein attacked the mosque in the Cave of the Patriarchs and slaughter-killed 29, injured 125, and traumatized 700 Muslim worshippers in what is known as the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre.

On April 16, 1994, Hamas leaders made the decision to pay in kind and adopt Goldstein's cold-blooded massacre tactics; the first Palestinian suicide bomb inside Israel went off in Afula, killing nine and injuring 50. Hamas then went ahead to carry on Goldstein's massacre-of-innocents tactics for the next decade 1994-2005.
Palestine was never offcicially owned by the Palestinians. You know why?

It was always Isaac's decendents land.
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Palestine was never offcicially owned by the Palestinians. You know why?

It was always Isaac's decendents land.
In our times, in our capitalistic systems, private Palestinians -- Christian and Muslim Arabs in the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory of West Bank and in the world's largest detention camp, the Israeli-run Gaza strip -- can and do own stuff, land property, houses, apartments, orchads, farms, factories, shops, cars, cell phones, clothes, gadgets. The Christian and Muslim Arabs can and do and are perfectly free to own this stuff in the Israeli-occupied terrotories, in Jordan, in Paris, in New York, in Tokyo.

The state of Israel, not being North Korea, recognizes the exact same right to private ownership than the United States of America. Setting permanent camp on someone else's privately-owned backyard or farming land is just as illegal in the modern state of Israel as it is in the United States of America, totally regardless of the legal owner's and the illegal squatter's religion, eye color, education level etc.
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I can't fathom how a Christian that's supposed to be so devout in his faith, worships a nation and a people so much. I never read in the Bible where you have to be an apologist for the nation of Israel in order to be a good Christian and I believe Jesus(PBUH) and Allah SWT might call it idolatry.
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I can't fathom how a Christian that's supposed to be so devout in his faith, worships a nation and a people so much. I never read in the Bible where you have to be an apologist for the nation of Israel in order to be a good Christian and I believe Jesus(PBUH) and Allah SWT might call it idolatry.
Ironically, more than 6% of the Palestinians population are Christians, and there's more Christians in the West Bank than there is in the whole of Israel.

My views on Israel are simple: two state solution. Israel doesn't need to be destroyed, just let the people on the Gaza Strip and West Bank rule themselves, develop their economy and military and for the love of God take down that massive fence that isolates the Palestinians from the rest of the world.
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Ironically, more than 6% of the Palestinians population are Christians, and there's more Christians in the West Bank than there is in the whole of Israel.
Exactly, and makes Carey and his fellow brethern on here look like apostates to their own faith. Supporting the genocide against both Christians and Muslims by Jews.
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