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22nd October 2009, 10:38 AM
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Reps: 399,886,911,758,635,520 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Carey  Yes I will any Muslim who does not try to truly follow the Koran may be a good person.  |
22nd October 2009, 10:53 AM
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Actually, I tend to skip over really big type as it is so visually disruptive.
Virtual yelling as I'm sure you're aware.
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Originally Posted by aisy_Day Actually, I tend to skip over really big type as it is so visually disruptive.
Virtual yelling as I'm sure you're aware.
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Originally Posted by Avatar We're all unique. Just like everyone else.
Yes but few if any of us intentionally skip over the obvious.
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29th October 2009, 04:02 AM
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29th October 2009, 08:38 AM
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More or less agreed, though one could say exactly the same about Jews and the Torah, Christians and the Bible, Hindus and the Vedas etc. |
29th October 2009, 08:47 AM
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I think the Qur'an is what it is (and that's a profoundly negative document in some aspects) but the religion itself is too diverse to say that there's no moderate versions of it.
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29th October 2009, 11:20 AM
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Reps: 89,333,273,487,197 (power: 89,333,273,491) | | Originally Posted by MrGoodBytes one could say exactly the same about... Christians and the Bible
Point taken, but in the Bible almost the only time you see a God who doesn't want humanity saved and simply smitten because they do not believe in Him and submit is when you take Scripture out of context.
Jesus Himself, who was and is God, said that if you do not want to choose Him ( everlasting Life and salvation), so be it. It is your choice. It would be unfortunate for you to choose so because what He offers is free and because He loves all humanity.
Another Scripture in the Bible that contradicts the versus of a Koranic God bent on killing all who do not submit is John 3v16:
For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten ([a]unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life. - Amplified Bible, the bold part was boldened by me.
Look what the Koran versions are: (in brackets are the suras and versus in the Koran)
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"God will mock them and keep them long in sin, blundering blindly along" (2:15).
"God's curse be upon the infidels!" (2:89).
"God is the enemy of the unbelievers" (2:98).
"The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Christians and Jews], and the pagans, resent that any blessing should have been sent down to you from your Lord" (2:105).
"They shall be held up to shame in this world and sternly punished in the hereafter" (2:114).
"But the infidels who die unbelievers shall incur the curse of God, the angels, and all men. Under it they shall remain for ever; their punishment shall not be lightened, nor shall they be reprieved" (2:162).
"The unbelievers are like beasts which, call out to them as one may, can hear nothing but a shout and a cry. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they understand nothing" (2:172)
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Lechah dodi likrat kallah, pnei Shabbat nekabelah
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