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does not mean you that you should keep your brain in a box, look around you and check things out for yourself,
ask yourself a few simple questions, like how did coal and oil get to be where it is? why are there tin, copper, iron, salt
and a hundred different metals and mineral deposited all over the world in the one place?
these are just a few questions you could find out the answers for yourself, read the books,
and when you're reading forget your religion for five minutes and see if what you are reading makes sense,
what have you got to lose? gaining knowledge is not a sin.
I used to be a YEC! Then I began to take science classes. I slowly realized that the mind-numbing crap my Youth Pastor (who was nice enough in other regards) was just simply wrong and based on awful science.
I realized that scientists aren't filthy atheists who drink baby's blood. I realized that as a fallible human interpreting God's Word, I could make mistakes.
Bingo! Wow! Maybe it isn't literally true. If it isn't literally true, but is still true, it must be an allegory of some kind. Jesus' parables aren't literally true either.
Well, technically, gaining knowledge was the first sin ever committed.
Originally Posted by laconicstudent
I used to be a YEC! Then I began to take science classes. I slowly realized that the mind-numbing crap my Youth Pastor (who was nice enough in other regards) was just simply wrong and based on awful science.
I realized that scientists aren't filthy atheists who drink baby's blood. I realized that as a fallible human interpreting God's Word, I could make mistakes.
Bingo! Wow! Maybe it isn't literally true. If it isn't literally true, but is still true, it must be an allegory of some kind. Jesus' parables aren't literally true either.
That's exactly how I came to be divorced from YECism. I took it a step further, even, because with my new skepticism I was unable to rationalize my belief in a deity who speaks only through a thousand-year-old book and voices in one's head.
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Well, technically, gaining knowledge was the first sin ever committed.
That's exactly how I came to be divorced from YECism. I took it a step further, even, because with my new skepticism I was unable to rationalize my belief in a deity who speaks only through a thousand-year-old book and voices in one's head.
Wow, you really missed it then. God speaks to me, (and from the testimonies shared by others that I have heard) in many ways. Sure through His Word, probably the most times. But what about dreams, through a friend, songs, prophecy, (I could tell you TRUE, live, now a day stories I have personally experienced with spoken prophecies over myself and others that came to pass and you would just shake your head in doubt ) in nature, both mental and physical senses, visions, circumstances that occur, some people hear an audible voice, or visitations, an inner peace. I am sure there are more ways God speaks to people. Most people miss God speaking to them because of many reasons. A couple reasons is because they limit God to what they might know and they might only expect to hear Him in a certain way. God is certainly not limited to speaking to people through His Word or that still small voice in your spirit. He could be speaking to you now through this post.
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I asked Jesus "How much do you love me?" He answered "This much". Then He stretched out His arms and died for me.
If you have everything but Jesus, you have nothing. If you have nothing but Jesus, you have everything.
Have you given much thought to where you are going to spend eternity?
Wow, you really missed it then. God speaks to me, (and from the testimonies shared by others that I have heard) in many ways. Sure through His Word, probably the most times. But what about dreams, through a friend, songs, prophecy, (I could tell you TRUE, live, now a day stories I have personally experienced with spoken prophecies over myself and others that came to pass and you would just shake your head in doubt ) in nature, both mental and physical senses, visions, circumstances that occur, some people hear an audible voice, or visitations, an inner peace. I am sure there are more ways God speaks to people. Most people miss God speaking to them because of many reasons. A couple reasons is because they limit God to what they might know and they might only expect to hear Him in a certain way. God is certainly not limited to speaking to people through His Word or that still small voice in your spirit. He could be speaking to you now through this post.
Penn (from Penn & Teller) had an interesting question for people who believe that God personally communicates with them (can't find the video right now but it's somewhere on YouTube). His question is basically the same dilemma that Abraham faced: if God asked you to kill a loved one (parent, sibling, son, daughter, etc), would you do it? His reasoning is that anyone who says "no", doesn't actually believe in God.
So would you?
__________________ Creationism has not made a single contribution to agriculture, medicine, conservation, forestry, pathology, or any other applied area of biology. Creationism has yielded no classifications, no biogeographies, no underlying mechanisms, no unifying concepts with which to study organisms or life. - Botanical Society of America's Statement on Evolution
Penn (from Penn & Teller) had an interesting question for people who believe that God personally communicates with them (can't find the video right now but it's somewhere on YouTube). His question is basically the same dilemma that Abraham faced: if God asked you to kill a loved one (parent, sibling, son, daughter, etc), would you do it? His reasoning is that anyone who says "no", doesn't actually believe in God.
So would you?
We weren't asked --- we were commanded to --- and we did.
Penn (from Penn & Teller) had an interesting question for people who believe that God personally communicates with them (can't find the video right now but it's somewhere on YouTube). His question is basically the same dilemma that Abraham faced: if God asked you to kill a loved one (parent, sibling, son, daughter, etc), would you do it? His reasoning is that anyone who says "no", doesn't actually believe in God.
So would you?
I do not believe God would request that of anyone now. Christ died once for all. As God provided the ram in place of Abrahams son, so once for all God provided the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ in our place.
Abraham must of heard from God without a doubt to follow through. So yes, if I knew without a doubt God asked me, I believe I would obey.
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I asked Jesus "How much do you love me?" He answered "This much". Then He stretched out His arms and died for me.
If you have everything but Jesus, you have nothing. If you have nothing but Jesus, you have everything.
Have you given much thought to where you are going to spend eternity?
Who's "we?" You weren't there. You were there for the Civil Rights movement, not the Civil War.
Furthermore, Lincoln is much more tangible that God is. Lincoln's orders are acknowledged by the whole world; God's orders aren't even heard by anyone other than the individual.
I'm going to need a direct answer here. If GOD spoke to you through a voice in your head and told you to kill your pastor, your wife, or your son... would you do it?
Yes or No. This isn't a loaded question, so it shouldn't be a problem to give a simple yes or no.
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