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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
science then, in its present use, and understanding is rather limited then, yes?
Oh please, not at all . It is only Creationists that think Science is all invalid if it cannot explain everything.
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Originally Posted by brinny
explain your 3rd comment.
Originally Posted by laconicstudent View Post
Errr.... Evolutionary Theory and the theory that the universe originated in a "Big Bang" are completely separate theories. It is as simple as it sounds.

the Big Bang is a theory in physics and cosmology, Evolution is a theory in Chemistry, paleontology and biology.

The idea that evolutionary theory has anything to say about the ultimate origins of the universe is a creationist misconception.


And in the future, try and be slightly more polite then demanding that I explain things to you. "Please" is a good word. Try and use it.
yet, they are theories on "developments" ..on "beginnings" so to speak, are they not?
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It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
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science then, in its present use, and understanding is rather limited then, yes?
Everything is limited. The purpose of science is to explain the workings of the universe. What is your point?
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Originally Posted by brinny
science then, in its present use, and understanding is rather limited then, yes?
Originally Posted by laconicstudent View Post
Oh please, not at all . It is only Creationists that think Science is all invalid if it cannot explain everything.
therefore, it is limited.
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It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
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yet, they are theories on "developments" ..on "beginnings" so to speak, are they not?

No.
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therefore, it is limited.
Everything is limited, brinny. What is your point? A hammer is limited to pounding nails. That doesn't mean it's useless.
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therefore, it is limited.

As is Christianity, by your logic. Not that being limited to a specific purpose is the bad thing you are trying to imply
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As is Christianity, by your logic.
Exactly. The Bible is silent on Godwin's Law, yet one trip to the politics forum, and voila, there it is.
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Originally Posted by nvxplorer View Post
Everything is limited. The purpose of science is to explain the workings of the universe. What is your point?
it doesn't explain any of it very well. it merely points out how "limited" those behind the "theories" are. thus those developing theories are prone to mistakes and misconceptions, and miscalculations, and "blind" spots they they did not know were there, and others came later and saw something the 1st one was blind to, and then others, later see a little bit more...like walking in the dark and shing a light just one step ahead each time and "discovering" something that was there all along, but just "hidden"

ALL that has ever been dis-covered (un-covered) was there from the gitgo...just not seen or detected. Always has been this way throughout history. It is because we, humans, are finite. We are limited...as will our theories and anything we conjure up with our limited reasoning and logi and calculations. None of it is perfect.

Because WE are not perfect.
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It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
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therefore, it is limited.
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As is Christianity, by your logic. Not that being limited to a specific purpose is the bad thing you are trying to imply
"Christianity"? Consisting of fallible human beings who are not perfect, merely forgiven? Yes, "Christianity" is limited. God is not.
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