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brinny:then why does a theory of the big bang hold any water or have an ounce of credibility or taken seriously?
Faith that there is an answer to why the universe exists, and that you have knowledge of that answer.
brinny: Are you saying that faith is a viable thing then?
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posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
The only assumption in science is that what we observe is a true reflection of reality. Science could not operate otherwise.
We are all prone to come to conclusions that way....doesn't mean we are right. It just means we're guessing.
Science doesn't work this way at all. Google the scientific method to see for yourself. Conclusions are tested, retested, and tested again. Hypotheses may be called "guesswork" (though not really), but theory is most certainly not a guess.
Opposition to evolutionary theory, is quite possibly because it don't make a lick o' sense. No logic whatsoever, and those "guesses" boggle me mind...but the boggling comes into play the more there are attempts to explain this "theory".
It may not make sense to you, but it makes sense to nearly everyone who isn't a creationist. Again, it's my opinion that bias is at work here. A view of special creation is challenged by evolution, and therefore, the theory cannot make sense, else the creationist would have to change his view.
The only assumption in science is that what we observe is a true reflection of reality. Science could not operate otherwise.
Science doesn't work this way at all. Google the scientific method to see for yourself. Conclusions are tested, retested, and tested again. Hypotheses may be called "guesswork" (though not really), but theory is most certainly not a guess.
It may not make sense to you, but it makes sense to nearly everyone who isn't a creationist. Again, it's my opinion that bias is at work here. A view of special creation is challenged by evolution, and therefore, the theory cannot make sense, else the creationist would have to change his view.
you may want to go over your posts in response to my questions....
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"Prove all things;
hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil."
~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22
posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
brinny: Are you saying that faith is a viable thing then?
No. I'm not addressing its "viability" at all. I'm simply telling you that science cannot answer why the universe exists. It would be like looking for answers on hydroponic gardening in the US Constitution. The answer just ain't there.
Basics in chemistry, biology and nuclear physics at the high school and undergraduate level.
Nope. They really don't. Not to the scientists who actually understand the theory, anyways.
You realize the Big Bang isn't part of Evolutionary theory, right? are you changing the subject now?
explain your 3rd comment.
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"Prove all things;
hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil."
~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22
posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
Originally Posted by brinny
brinny: Are you saying that faith is a viable thing then?
Originally Posted by nvxplorer
No. I'm not addressing its "viability" at all. I'm simply telling you that science cannot answer why the universe exists. It would be like looking for answers on hydroponic gardening in the US Constitution. The answer just ain't there.
science then, in its present use, and understanding is rather limited then, yes?
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"Prove all things;
hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil."
~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22
posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
Errr.... Evolutionary Theory and the theory that the universe originated in a "Big Bang" are completely separate theories. It is as simple as it sounds.
the Big Bang is a theory in physics and cosmology, Evolution is a theory in Chemistry, paleontology and biology.
The idea that evolutionary theory has anything to say about the ultimate origins of the universe is a creationist misconception.
And in the future, try and be slightly more polite then demanding that I explain things to you. "Please" is a good word. Try and use it.
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