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brinny:then why does a theory of the big bang hold any water or have an ounce of credibility or taken seriously?
Faith that there is an answer to why the universe exists, and that you have knowledge of that answer.
brinny: Are you saying that faith is a viable thing then?
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To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias
‘If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.’
C.S. Lewis
"God is in the rain."~Evey in V for Vendetta
"Prayer in its highest form is agonizing soul sweat." --Leonard Ravenhill
"Strength is born in the deep silence of long suffering hearts; not amid joy." Felicia Hemans
"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates
i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.
We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.
Otherwise we are just dead men walking.
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The only assumption in science is that what we observe is a true reflection of reality. Science could not operate otherwise.
We are all prone to come to conclusions that way....doesn't mean we are right. It just means we're guessing.
Science doesn't work this way at all. Google the scientific method to see for yourself. Conclusions are tested, retested, and tested again. Hypotheses may be called "guesswork" (though not really), but theory is most certainly not a guess.
Opposition to evolutionary theory, is quite possibly because it don't make a lick o' sense. No logic whatsoever, and those "guesses" boggle me mind...but the boggling comes into play the more there are attempts to explain this "theory".
It may not make sense to you, but it makes sense to nearly everyone who isn't a creationist. Again, it's my opinion that bias is at work here. A view of special creation is challenged by evolution, and therefore, the theory cannot make sense, else the creationist would have to change his view.
The only assumption in science is that what we observe is a true reflection of reality. Science could not operate otherwise.
Science doesn't work this way at all. Google the scientific method to see for yourself. Conclusions are tested, retested, and tested again. Hypotheses may be called "guesswork" (though not really), but theory is most certainly not a guess.
It may not make sense to you, but it makes sense to nearly everyone who isn't a creationist. Again, it's my opinion that bias is at work here. A view of special creation is challenged by evolution, and therefore, the theory cannot make sense, else the creationist would have to change his view.
you may want to go over your posts in response to my questions....
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To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias
‘If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.’
C.S. Lewis
"God is in the rain."~Evey in V for Vendetta
"Prayer in its highest form is agonizing soul sweat." --Leonard Ravenhill
"Strength is born in the deep silence of long suffering hearts; not amid joy." Felicia Hemans
"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates
i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.
We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.
Otherwise we are just dead men walking.
my journal/blog:
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brinny: Are you saying that faith is a viable thing then?
No. I'm not addressing its "viability" at all. I'm simply telling you that science cannot answer why the universe exists. It would be like looking for answers on hydroponic gardening in the US Constitution. The answer just ain't there.
Basics in chemistry, biology and nuclear physics at the high school and undergraduate level.
Nope. They really don't. Not to the scientists who actually understand the theory, anyways.
You realize the Big Bang isn't part of Evolutionary theory, right? are you changing the subject now?
explain your 3rd comment.
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To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias
‘If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.’
C.S. Lewis
"God is in the rain."~Evey in V for Vendetta
"Prayer in its highest form is agonizing soul sweat." --Leonard Ravenhill
"Strength is born in the deep silence of long suffering hearts; not amid joy." Felicia Hemans
"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates
i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.
We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.
Otherwise we are just dead men walking.
my journal/blog:
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Originally Posted by brinny
brinny: Are you saying that faith is a viable thing then?
Originally Posted by nvxplorer
No. I'm not addressing its "viability" at all. I'm simply telling you that science cannot answer why the universe exists. It would be like looking for answers on hydroponic gardening in the US Constitution. The answer just ain't there.
science then, in its present use, and understanding is rather limited then, yes?
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To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias
‘If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.’
C.S. Lewis
"God is in the rain."~Evey in V for Vendetta
"Prayer in its highest form is agonizing soul sweat." --Leonard Ravenhill
"Strength is born in the deep silence of long suffering hearts; not amid joy." Felicia Hemans
"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates
i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.
We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.
Otherwise we are just dead men walking.
my journal/blog:
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Errr.... Evolutionary Theory and the theory that the universe originated in a "Big Bang" are completely separate theories. It is as simple as it sounds.
the Big Bang is a theory in physics and cosmology, Evolution is a theory in Chemistry, paleontology and biology.
The idea that evolutionary theory has anything to say about the ultimate origins of the universe is a creationist misconception.
And in the future, try and be slightly more polite then demanding that I explain things to you. "Please" is a good word. Try and use it.
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