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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
Frankly, all the evolution stories i've heard oh "how" this world came into "being" are just weak. None of it makes any sense. There is much missing with the evolutionary stories...like "why"....and the "how" REALLY boggles my mind, that those stating the "how" of it really expect anyone to "believe" any of it.

It all kinda falls "flat".
Just because you have difficulty understanding the concept of evolution and/or can't be bothered to read enough about it to get the full picture doesn't mean it isn't true.

Furthermore evolution has absolutely nothing to do with "how this world came into being", that alone suggests blatant misunderstanding of the theory on your part.
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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
i was not "raised" to be a creationist. I grew up in quite a God-less atmosphere. It was a twisted, dark, confusing place. Frankly, it was quite evil.

Now, however, i believe in this God you do not believe in. I believe He did what He said He did. It requires faith, however. Faith is a gift of God.

I do not "have religion". I have a relationship with the God of the universe, the Creator.

Frankly, all the evolution stories i've heard oh "how" this world came into "being" are just weak. None of it makes any sense. There is much missing with the evolutionary stories...like "why"....and the "how" REALLY boggles my mind, that those stating the "how" of it really expect anyone to "believe" any of it.

It all kinda falls "flat".
I imagine there are many scientific explanations of how the universe works that wouldn't make any sense to you. I know that there are many I wouldn't understand. You can certainly reject them as you wish, but that does not mean they're not true.

From what I've observed, the opposition to evolutionary theory is grounded in the desire to be "created." To be special. Unless one can get past this hurdle, bias against "believing" in evolution cannot be broken.
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Old 19th October 2009, 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by brinny
Frankly, all the evolution stories i've heard oh "how" this world came into "being" are just weak. None of it makes any sense. There is much missing with the evolutionary stories...like "why"....and the "how" REALLY boggles my mind, that those stating the "how" of it really expect anyone to "believe" any of it.

It all kinda falls "flat".
Originally Posted by Wedjat View Post
Just because you have difficulty understanding the concept of evolution and/or can't be bothered to read enough about it to get the full picture doesn't mean it isn't true.

Furthermore evolution has absolutely nothing to do with "how this world came into being", that alone suggests blatant misunderstanding of the theory on your part.
Perhaps you are right. Enlighten me.
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It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
Perhaps you are right. Enlighten me.
Evolution explains the change in biological forms over time. The earth came into being as a result of physical forces and is in a constant state of change explained by a subset of those forces, namely, geology. Different disciplines.
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Originally Posted by nvxplorer View Post
Evolution explains the change in biological forms over time. The earth came into being as a result of physical forces and is in a constant state of change explained by a subset of those forces, namely, geology. Different disciplines.
How, why did it all begin?
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posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
How, why did it all begin?
The universe began with the big bang. Abiogenesis hasn't been explained yet.

As to why, that's left to faith. Science doesn't examine such questions.
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Originally Posted by nvxplorer View Post
I imagine there are many scientific explanations of how the universe works that wouldn't make any sense to you. I know that there are many I wouldn't understand. You can certainly reject them as you wish, but that does not mean they're not true.

From what I've observed, the opposition to evolutionary theory is grounded in the desire to be "created." To be special. Unless one can get past this hurdle, bias against "believing" in evolution cannot be broken.
observations can be assumptions. We are all prone to come to conclusions that way....doesn't mean we are right. It just means we're guessing.

Opposition to evolutionary theory, is quite possibly because it don't make a lick o' sense. No logic whatsoever, and those "guesses" boggle me mind...but the boggling comes into play the more there are attempts to explain this "theory".
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It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
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Originally Posted by nvxplorer View Post
The universe began with the big bang. Abiogenesis hasn't been explained yet.

As to why, that's left to faith. Science doesn't examine such questions.
what originated the "big bang"?

faith in what?
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It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
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Originally Posted by brinny View Post
observations can be assumptions. We are all prone to come to conclusions that way....doesn't mean we are right. It just means we're guessing.
.....Based on existential evidence like radiometric dating, fossil records, genome analysis etc etc.

I notice that by your criterion, Evolution is still a stronger theory then either ID or Creationism. Neither of them have any proof at all.


Originally Posted by brinny View Post
Opposition to evolutionary theory, is quite possibly because it don't make a lick o' sense.
Except to those of us who actually understand and study the science involved. An argument of incredulity is a logical fallacy.

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No logic whatsoever, and those "guesses" boggle me mind...but the boggling comes into play the more there are attempts to explain this "theory".
Those "guesses" are based on actual data, which you seem to have forgotten to mention.
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.....Based on existential evidence like radiometric dating, fossil records, genome analysis etc etc.

I notice that by your criterion, Evolution is still a stronger theory then either ID or Creationism. Neither of them have any proof at all.




Except to those of us who actually understand and study the science involved. An argument of incredulity is a logical fallacy.



Those "guesses" are based on actual data, which you seem to have forgotten to mention.
what is the data based on?

still these questions loom...

re the big bang? what is its origin?
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