Elman, you need to pay closer attention to what's being said. Please see my response on this issue (post #220).
Scripture does refer to us as "clay". This isn't a bad thing. If it hurts the ego to be reminded of it, I cannot help that. But it shouldn't hurt at all to know that one is an extension and an expression of God's glorious creation.
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Clay is not a bad thing. Clay that can love is a better thing. It is more of an expression of God's glorious creation.
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.... in the same way that all those who thought the Earth was flat were wrong back then.
While most of us are quite ready to accept the idea of a round Earth it seems we are reluctant to leave the flat earth theology of the past.
So I should just ignore the bits about Jesus being the savior, and God, and...
That's your call.
No, we must have all the answers! We know the Guy who knows it all, so we must know!
The guy who knows it all may well know it all but he ain't telling - we have to work it out ourselves.
I guess I'm just too used to apologetics where I need to have some sort of rational explanation... Helps to get away every now and then.
I don't think so. What we, as Christians, need to do is to drag ourselves along with our theology and apologetics into the 21st century.
I accept this is fraught with danger. But then the Apostles were is a similar boat - they had no idea how their new found faith would develop - it could have easily gone the other way. But that does not mean we rest on their laurels. We need to make our own faith statement in light of 21st century possibilities. It's a whole new ball game - well almost a whole new ball game.
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Faith is based in fact. Faith is not blind. Hebrews 11:1, faith has a foundation: John 20:30-31. There's plenty of evidence for God, just not enough for complete certainty.
There's that word again certainty.
What is about this generation that keeps seeking 'certainty'?
The money market (whatever that may be) apparently wants some 'certainty'.
Business seeks 'certainty'.
The whole matter of the 'climate skeptics' is that there is no 'certainty' of outcomes.
Otherwise sane and rational people claim they cannot believe in God because there is no 'certainty' of his existence.
Columbus would never have sailed across the ocean and bumped into something called America if he had 'certainty'.
Yet we demand 'certainty' about God.
The rather glaring and obvious situation is that there is no such thing as 'certainty' - life is chancy and precarious. Yet we continually demand 'certainty'. Interesting.
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What is about this generation that keeps seeking 'certainty'?
The money market (whatever that may be) apparently wants some 'certainty'.
Business seeks 'certainty'.
The whole matter of the 'climate skeptics' is that there is no 'certainty' of outcomes.
Otherwise sane and rational people claim they cannot believe in God because there is no 'certainty' of his existence.
Columbus would never have sailed across the ocean and bumped into something called America if he had 'certainty'.
Yet we demand 'certainty' about God.
The rather glaring and obvious situation is that there is no such thing as 'certainty' - life is chancy and precarious. Yet we continually demand 'certainty'. Interesting.
There's not complete certainty for anything.
Originally Posted by wayseer
.... in the same way that all those who thought the Earth was flat were wrong back then.
While most of us are quite ready to accept the idea of a round Earth it seems we are reluctant to leave the flat earth theology of the past.
Were they interpreting the Bible, or just using it as a way to bash an idea they didn't like?
That's your call.
You're the one making the argument. You tell me. What should I do with this 'information' you presented?
The guy who knows it all may well know it all but he ain't telling - we have to work it out ourselves.
Have you no sense of humor?
I don't think so. What we, as Christians, need to do is to drag ourselves along with our theology and apologetics into the 21st century.
The Bible wasn't written in this century. It was written 2000 years ago, and things weren't very relative back then.
I accept this is fraught with danger. But then the Apostles were is a similar boat - they had no idea how their new found faith would develop - it could have easily gone the other way. But that does not mean we rest on their laurels. We need to make our own faith statement in light of 21st century possibilities. It's a whole new ball game - well almost a whole new ball game.
The theology of the Bible doesn't change just because society changes. Making the Bible relative is never a good idea.
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"There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done.""
-C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce (emphasis mine)
"You must be imaginative, strong-hearted. You must try things that may not work, and you must not let anyone define your limits because of where you come from. Your only limit is your soul."
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I would argue they were just as relevant - historically relevant.
I'm not talking relevant or irrelevant, I'm talking whether or not it is relative.
I suggest the theology of Bible has changed - dramatically in some instance - like Nicaea (325).
Then provide evidence for your suggestion.
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"There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done.""
-C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce (emphasis mine)
"You must be imaginative, strong-hearted. You must try things that may not work, and you must not let anyone define your limits because of where you come from. Your only limit is your soul."
-Chef at the beginning of Ratatouille
Of course - otherwise why would you want to raise the matter?
I did. Nicaea.
Simply naming some council doesn't tell me how the theology contained in the Bible has been changed.
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Don't mess with Yoda!
"There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done.""
-C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce (emphasis mine)
"You must be imaginative, strong-hearted. You must try things that may not work, and you must not let anyone define your limits because of where you come from. Your only limit is your soul."
-Chef at the beginning of Ratatouille
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