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Old 6th November 2009, 09:56 AM
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Hi Jim,

I am not a fan of Paul Washer, and I think he doesn't just shout but sounds genuinely angry at the people he preaches to, and I agree he doesn't have to shout.

But I just wanted to throw out a word defending shouting while preaching. While my favourite preachers are not shouters (Andrew Wommack, Bob Yandian, Jerry Savelle for example), I often raise my voice - not to make a point, not to cover for lack of good content - but because I am genuinely excited about what I am saying and about the greatness and goodness and graciousness of our God.

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Old 6th November 2009, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by KingZzub View Post
Hi Jim,

I am not a fan of Paul Washer, and I think he doesn't just shout but sounds genuinely angry at the people he preaches to, and I agree he doesn't have to shout.

But I just wanted to throw out a word defending shouting while preaching. While my favourite preachers are not shouters (Andrew Wommack, Bob Yandian, Jerry Savelle for example), I often raise my voice - not to make a point, not to cover for lack of good content - but because I am genuinely excited about what I am saying and about the greatness and goodness and graciousness of our God.

Thanks,
Ben

I sometimes raise my voice, too, when I am excited about some point I’m making. I am not opposed to a preacher raising his voice to make a point or because he is enthused about something he is saying—that’s just being natural. But the shouting I was talking about is shouting for effect—i.e, performancethat's unnatural (aka, phony).

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Originally Posted by JimB View Post
I sometimes raise my voice, too, when I am excited about some point I’m making. I am not opposed to a preacher raising his voice to make a point or because he is enthused about something he is saying—that’s just being natural. But the shouting I was talking about is shouting for effect—i.e, performancethat's unnatural (aka, phony).

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Drama is great if it's purpose is served, some people only respond to listening when a voice is raised. It's hard to listen constantly when a point has been made and the preacher delves into explaination of a point already taken. When emphasis is placed on when they are moving on in the topic it helps greatly.

Ben, how long have you had your church? It sounds like you r new at it.
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Originally Posted by KingZzub View Post
Just be careful, Washer is a hyper Calvinist with some very strange theology indeed.

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He's a Baptist.

In addition, he preaches what the Bible says. He preaches repentence. Satan believes, doesn't he? He also preaches on the holiness of God. He preaches the fear of God (respecting God, and acknowledging His holiness).

Here's another video that also preaches repentence and preaches on the holiness of God.

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Originally Posted by victoryword View Post
I believe in the sinner's prayer:
Rom 10:12 There is no difference between Jews and Greeks. They all have the same Lord, who gives his riches to everyone who prays to him.
Rom 10:13 So then, "Whoever prays in the name of the Lord will be saved." (God's Word Translation, 1995 Version)


Amazing how people want to make war on God's Word.
Did you watch the video? What part of what Paul Washer said do you disagree with?
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I wonder what way it sounds like I am new

The church was launched publically in August of this year. We are growing slowly but surely, and God's grace is good to us.

I have been preaching for 15 years though and have pastored another church and been youth pastor in another 2 and associate pastor in a church for a year as well. I have planted 2 other churches.

This is the first time I am planting and pastoring a church and know that I am staying with these people for a long time. It is really exciting.

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A man in the temple said a sinner's prayer that ol' Washerwoman wouldn't approve of AT ALL he said "God have mercy on me a sinner" and God said "Okay"
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A man in the temple said a sinner's prayer that ol' Washerwoman wouldn't approve of AT ALL he said "God have mercy on me a sinner" and God said "Okay"
And Oh-my that was before the Lord hung on the cross! what up with that?
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A man in the temple said a sinner's prayer that ol' Washerwoman wouldn't approve of AT ALL he said "God have mercy on me a sinner" and God said "Okay"
He repented. He recognized his own sin. Watch the video again. Paul Washer preaches on this very thing.

God sees the heart. He tells us Himself to come to Him with a broken heart about our sin, and He will surely forgive us, for He is close to the broken in heart. This sums up what Paul Washer preaches on the video.
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