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6th November 2009, 10:56 AM
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I am not a fan of Paul Washer, and I think he doesn't just shout but sounds genuinely angry at the people he preaches to, and I agree he doesn't have to shout.
But I just wanted to throw out a word defending shouting while preaching. While my favourite preachers are not shouters (Andrew Wommack, Bob Yandian, Jerry Savelle for example), I often raise my voice - not to make a point, not to cover for lack of good content - but because I am genuinely excited about what I am saying and about the greatness and goodness and graciousness of our God.
Thanks,
Ben
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6th November 2009, 11:08 AM
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Reps: 610,632,165,073,638,144 (power: 610,632,165,073,670) | | Originally Posted by KingZzub  Hi Jim,
I am not a fan of Paul Washer, and I think he doesn't just shout but sounds genuinely angry at the people he preaches to, and I agree he doesn't have to shout.
But I just wanted to throw out a word defending shouting while preaching. While my favourite preachers are not shouters (Andrew Wommack, Bob Yandian, Jerry Savelle for example), I often raise my voice - not to make a point, not to cover for lack of good content - but because I am genuinely excited about what I am saying and about the greatness and goodness and graciousness of our God.
Thanks,
Ben I sometimes raise my voice, too, when I am excited about some point I’m making. I am not opposed to a preacher raising his voice to make a point or because he is enthused about something he is saying—that’s just being natural. But the shouting I was talking about is shouting for effect—i.e, performance—that's unnatural (aka, phony). ~Jim I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~C.S. Lewis
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6th November 2009, 11:36 AM
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Reps: 5,885,458,354,724,726,784 (power: 5,885,458,354,724,763) | | Originally Posted by JimB I sometimes raise my voice, too, when I am excited about some point I’m making. I am not opposed to a preacher raising his voice to make a point or because he is enthused about something he is saying—that’s just being natural. But the shouting I was talking about is shouting for effect—i.e, performance—that's unnatural (aka, phony). ~Jim I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. ~C.S. Lewis
Drama is great if it's purpose is served, some people only respond to listening when a voice is raised. It's hard to listen constantly when a point has been made and the preacher delves into explaination of a point already taken. When emphasis is placed on when they are moving on in the topic it helps greatly.
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6th November 2009, 11:38 AM
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He's a Baptist.
In addition, he preaches what the Bible says. He preaches repentence. Satan believes, doesn't he? He also preaches on the holiness of God. He preaches the fear of God (respecting God, and acknowledging His holiness).
Here's another video that also preaches repentence and preaches on the holiness of God.
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It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran
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6th November 2009, 11:50 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,908) | | Originally Posted by victoryword I believe in the sinner's prayer: Rom 10:12 There is no difference between Jews and Greeks. They all have the same Lord, who gives his riches to everyone who prays to him.
Rom 10:13 So then, "Whoever prays in the name of the Lord will be saved." (God's Word Translation, 1995 Version)
Amazing how people want to make war on God's Word.
Did you watch the video? What part of what Paul Washer said do you disagree with?
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~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran |
6th November 2009, 12:23 PM
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The church was launched publically in August of this year. We are growing slowly but surely, and God's grace is good to us.
I have been preaching for 15 years though and have pastored another church and been youth pastor in another 2 and associate pastor in a church for a year as well. I have planted 2 other churches.
This is the first time I am planting and pastoring a church and know that I am staying with these people for a long time. It is really exciting.
Blessings,
Ben
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9th November 2009, 09:50 PM
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10th November 2009, 10:43 AM
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Reps: 17,214,311,476,182,840 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by TehMill A man in the temple said a sinner's prayer that ol' Washerwoman wouldn't approve of AT ALL he said "God have mercy on me a sinner" and God said "Okay"
And Oh-my that was before the Lord hung on the cross! what up with that? |
10th November 2009, 10:47 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,908) | | Originally Posted by TehMill A man in the temple said a sinner's prayer that ol' Washerwoman wouldn't approve of AT ALL he said "God have mercy on me a sinner" and God said "Okay"
He repented. He recognized his own sin. Watch the video again. Paul Washer preaches on this very thing.
God sees the heart. He tells us Himself to come to Him with a broken heart about our sin, and He will surely forgive us, for He is close to the broken in heart. This sums up what Paul Washer preaches on the video.
__________________ "Prove all things;
hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil."
~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran | | |
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