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18th October 2009, 01:49 AM
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18th October 2009, 06:00 AM
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Reps: 7,124,930,625,026 (power: 7,124,930,628) | | | It's your decision. I too have not been baptized by the immersion of water. I said that in one post and I guy told this is what Christianity passes for these days. Basically, calling me a lesser Christian since I have not done the work to be baptized. I don't necessarily think he believes that just we were debating and things got hot.
I however don't feel the pressure to go through it. If I do go through baptism I want to do it own my own accord and not b/c I feel I have to.
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19th October 2009, 01:21 PM
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Reps: 10,809,390,223 (power: 10,809,399) | | Originally Posted by Nasuke  Can you prove that please? I would like to know Biblically where it is stated you absolutely have to. More over, I would like to know where in Scripture it says that being baptized cleanses you of sins.
Not trying to start an argument, but I honestly don't see where anyone can get this idea Biblically.
Now you can:
John 3:3-5
3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."
4 "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"
5 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Acts 2:38
38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 22:16
16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.' 1 Peter 3:21
21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also-- not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
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19th October 2009, 04:48 PM
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Reps: 222,754,071,753,577 (power: 222,754,071,756) | | Originally Posted by WesWoodell Now you can:
John 3:3-5
3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."
4 "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"
5 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Acts 2:38
38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 22:16
16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.'
1 Peter 3:21
21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also-- not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
Okay, I see your point, but my point is: the Blood of Jesus Christ is the only thing that can cleanse us of sins. Is a sinner who has prayed and asked the Lord Jesus to forgive him of his sins actually forgiven or is he still in a state of damnation until he gets baptized?
I'm sorry but I disagree.
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19th October 2009, 05:54 PM
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19th October 2009, 06:26 PM
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19th October 2009, 08:02 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,792) | | Originally Posted by stelow If water baptism was how our sins are forgiven then Jesus would not have had to die.
Spiritual baptism takes place not in water but in our spirit, so water baptism is an outward action based on an inward reality.
A big part of the problem lies in who interpets what was expressed in the sciptures, because the natural man(flesh) can't really understand what the Spirit is saying.
Notice the following scriptures the Holy Spirit has already been given to the Gentiles before they're baptized in water.
Acts 10:43-47
43Every one of the prophets has said that all who have faith in Jesus will have their sins forgiven in his name.
44While Peter was still speaking, the Holy Spirit took control of everyone who was listening.
45Some Jewish followers of the Lord had come with Peter, and they were surprised that the Holy Spirit had been given to Gentiles.
46Now they were hearing Gentiles speaking unknown languages and praising God. Peter said,
47"These Gentiles have been given the Holy Spirit, just as we have! I am certain that no one would dare stop us from baptizing them."
John 6:63
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The WORDS that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
AMEN!
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20th October 2009, 09:43 PM
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why do we argue over these things.
Matthew 28.
Acts. Romans.
John.
1) was christ baptised by water and spirit?
2) so why is it that we should not follow his example?
Baptism.
what does the word mean?
immersion.
In greek translation it refers to a ship being submerged underwater.
In regards to the whole body. two references come to mind.
II Corinthians. dead to sin and alive in christ. born a new creation.
Foot washing of the disciples. What did Christ say to them as he was washing their feet?
Just some thoughts. Info on me. I am church of christ and my wife is roman catholic.
We attend church together. We were raised differently. We believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.
Edouard.
May God guide our tongues, fingers, and language in this matter to help our fellow christian seek the knowledge of the kingdom of heaven.
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21st October 2009, 04:09 AM
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Reps: 10,809,390,223 (power: 10,809,399) | | Originally Posted by Nasuke Okay, I see your point, but my point is: the Blood of Jesus Christ is the only thing that can cleanse us of sins. Is a sinner who has prayed and asked the Lord Jesus to forgive him of his sins actually forgiven or is he still in a state of damnation until he gets baptized?
I'm sorry but I disagree.
Can you show me a place in Scripture after Jesus' resurrection where people prayed to have their sins forgiven and were saved?
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