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12th October 2009, 05:24 PM
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Hi, I am in an Assembly of God church, there are no Lutheran churches within 200 miles of me, so I have heard of the Lutheran church as one hears of a distant land.
Recently, I discovered an internet radio programme called 'Fighting for the Faith' with Chris Roseborugh (I have spelled that wrong for sure, but it sounds similar), and it really peaked my interest.
First of all, I have learned about judging a sermon by how law and gospel are preached, very enlightening! But I wanted to know how your teaching on the Holy Spirit and gifts of the Spirit differ from my church's teaching.
I would like to know more, and have read through some of the stickies, but really I'd like to specifically know more about the difference between the two denominations, if anyone is able to help? |
16th October 2009, 03:25 PM
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Reps: 952,770,079,049,670 (power: 952,770,079,068) | | Originally Posted by mercyreigns  Hi, I am in an Assembly of God church, there are no Lutheran churches within 200 miles of me, so I have heard of the Lutheran church as one hears of a distant land.
Recently, I discovered an internet radio programme called 'Fighting for the Faith' with Chris Roseborugh (I have spelled that wrong for sure, but it sounds similar), and it really peaked my interest.
First of all, I have learned about judging a sermon by how law and gospel are preached, very enlightening! But I wanted to know how your teaching on the Holy Spirit and gifts of the Spirit differ from my church's teaching.
I would like to know more, and have read through some of the stickies, but really I'd like to specifically know more about the difference between the two denominations, if anyone is able to help?
The above post was copied as requested from the TCL welcoming center thread, so more information could be sought 
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Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
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16th October 2009, 04:13 PM
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16th October 2009, 04:19 PM
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Reps: 727,432,821,147,579,648 (power: 727,432,821,147,586) | | Hey, mercyreigns. I've got some more links for you. 
There is a Confessional Lutheran online community called the Wittenberg Trail. One thing they have is stories people have posted about their journeys from other Christian churches to Confessional Lutheranism. I thought you might be interested in reading what others who went from Charismatic/Pentecostalism to Lutheranism might have to say.
A well-written article from a former Pentecostal minister: Sign In to The Wittenberg Trail - The Wittenberg Trail
Several more here: Sign In to The Wittenberg Trail - The Wittenberg Trail
(Hmm. Looks like you may have to create an account there to read these, but at least it's free.)
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16th October 2009, 07:25 PM
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Reps: 640,180,888,870 (power: 640,180,891) | | Originally Posted by CantateDomino Hey, mercyreigns. I've got some more links for you.
There is a Confessional Lutheran online community called the Wittenberg Trail. One thing they have is stories people have posted about their journeys from other Christian churches to Confessional Lutheranism. I thought you might be interested in reading what others who went from Charismatic/Pentecostalism to Lutheranism might have to say.
A well-written article from a former Pentecostal minister: Sign In to The Wittenberg Trail - The Wittenberg Trail
Several more here: Sign In to The Wittenberg Trail - The Wittenberg Trail
(Hmm. Looks like you may have to create an account there to read these, but at least it's free.)
Ah that's very interesting, thank you.
I'll have a look right now! |
16th October 2009, 09:03 PM
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I just noticed where you live. It must be beautiful there. When you have a chance maybe you could post some pictures in our Adiaphora Alehouse thread
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Jn 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
Rev 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
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16th October 2009, 10:51 PM
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17th October 2009, 10:53 AM
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18th October 2009, 07:15 AM
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Reps: 640,180,888,870 (power: 640,180,891) | | | Joyfulthanks said..
"I'd love to continue to discuss this with you. Although none of us has exactly the same experiences, I think to some extent I may have been where you are, and I'll be happy to do what I can to help talk through some of your questions, etc. with you."
I've always been wary of liturgy, being taught that you should flow with the leadings of the Holy Spirit (but not actually seeing it acted out in real life)
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19th October 2009, 05:25 AM
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Reps: 727,432,821,147,579,648 (power: 727,432,821,147,586) | | Liturgy is simply the order of worship. The Liturgy is the order of worship handed down through the centuries from the very beginning of the church.
Some churches use 2000 yr old liturgies, while some use 100 yr old or 20 yr old or 2 yr old liturgies. Lots of modern churches claim not to be liturgical, but they almost always follow the same order of worship, and heaven help the person who might suggest making some changes in their order of worship.
There is a great discussion on liturgy at the iMonk site - here. Scroll down a bit for a particularly good post by the "non-liturgical" Baptist participant, Wyman Richardson, and for a great top-10 style explanation of the value of the liturgy from a LCMS pastor, William Cwirla.
Here's a jewel from pastor Richardson's essay:
The only difference between the “non-liturgical” churches and the “liturgical” churches is that the former’s liturgy is (1) present but denied, (2) inherited instead of intentional, (3) culturally defined instead of ecclesiologically mandated, and (4) largely pragmatic instead of theological.
Here's another:
The value of liturgy is that it gives parameters to our naturally nomadic hearts, ties us in through concrete means with the great cloud of witnesses that have gone before us, is oftentimes multi-sensory and not merely auditory ... and, as such, ministers to the whole person. It strikes at our sense of isolation by reminding us in vivid and powerful ways that we are part of a two-millennia-old movement. It humbles us, guards us from our ego-driven and naive obsession with the new, and keeps us from our “reinvent-the-wheel” conceit that makes us see worship as merely our creation without regard to the worldwide Church of today or yesterday. And, above all else, liturgy can be Spirit-filled, Christ-exalting, and living. It is the churches cry of “Hallelujah!” to the living and holy God of Heaven and Earth.
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