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6th November 2009, 11:12 AM
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Reps: 727,432,821,147,579,648 (power: 727,432,821,147,586) | | | There's nothing wrong with fasting, as long as their focus is on what God is doing for them and not what they are doing for God. Also, some people think they can in effect control God by fasting and prayer, which is unscriptural.
I can almost guarantee that this is not a church that would subscribe to any kind of historical confessions. Sounds pretty Pentecostal to me.
If you're being led to a Lutheran understanding of Law and Gospel, the Sacraments, etc., I strongly suspect you won't find that there.
As for where they might be wrong, the best way to know the real thing is to study it. By knowing the truth well you will be able discern whenever anyone is departing from it.
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6th November 2009, 12:02 PM
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Reps: 640,180,888,870 (power: 640,180,891) | | Originally Posted by CantateDomino  There's nothing wrong with fasting, as long as their focus is on what God is doing for them and not what they are doing for God. Also, some people think they can in effect control God by fasting and prayer, which is unscriptural.
I can almost guarantee that this is not a church that would subscribe to any kind of historical confessions. Sounds pretty Pentecostal to me.
If you're being led to a Lutheran understanding of Law and Gospel, the Sacraments, etc., I strongly suspect you won't find that there.
As for where they might be wrong, the best way to know the real thing is to study it. By knowing the truth well you will be able discern whenever anyone is departing from it.
They seem to think they have more power for casting out demons and doing spiritual warfare, or making yourself better somehow, and they're always doing deliverance on the congregation. My husband is very wary of it, so we wont be joining, but I wondered what your opinions would be, thanks for offering yours.  |
6th November 2009, 07:20 PM
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Reps: 3,970,695,482 (power: 3,970,700) | | Originally Posted by mercyreigns They seem to think they have more power for casting out demons and doing spiritual warfare, or making yourself better somehow, and they're always doing deliverance on the congregation. My husband is very wary of it, so we wont be joining, but I wondered what your opinions would be, thanks for offering yours.
Since you are asking:
I would be very wary of any pentecostal or neo-charismatic church. Specifically those that pratice this execessive "deliverance ministry" stuff. |
7th November 2009, 07:24 AM
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7th November 2009, 08:43 AM
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Reps: 1,198,247,620,748,319,488 (power: 1,198,247,620,748,336) | | Originally Posted by mercyreigns They seem to think they have more power for casting out demons and doing spiritual warfare, or making yourself better somehow, and they're always doing deliverance on the congregation. My husband is very wary of it, so we wont be joining, but I wondered what your opinions would be, thanks for offering yours.
Hi,
One of the problems here that I see is that these types of Congregations have become so focused on one small part of Scripture, that they exclude the bulk of the Gospel as a result. These types of Congregations also tend towards the keeping of the law; legalism.
The other problem is that it becomes all about what they are doing, and not about what God does for us.
Confessional Lutheranism is not about us, but all about what God does for us. Law and Gospel together. Since we can not keep the law no matter how hard we try, the only power that the law has is to condemn, the law can not save us. Without the law there would be no need for salvation, therefore there would be no need for the Gospel. The Gospel saves us from the consequences of the Law!
That is why we Lutherans are special!
The Lutheran Church in England is in full fellowship with Lutheran Church Canada (my synod), and is indeed a Confessional Synod. We also share Seminary Profs and resources with each other!
You will do well to talk to this Pastor, and learn from him.
God bless you in your journey ,
Mark.
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7th November 2009, 09:25 AM
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My friend was explaining last night, that the new church she's in have to pay their tithes, and they're not allowed to use any of the money for photocopying sermon notes, but they can use it for photocopying evangelistic material. It does sound very legalistic.
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7th November 2009, 01:32 PM
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9th November 2009, 08:11 AM
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