I like the EO members...
And i don't think MariaRegina has been debating.
She tends to give a thumbsup to some posts on occasion, but for many ages past we had certain friends do that. General conversation is ok...as far as i always knew.
As long as they arent going against the CHURCH teaching - then i dont see the debate.
If they mock, question the efficency, or denigrade the faith in any way - then it becomes cumbersome.
UNFORTUNATELY we have Catholic members who have been doing that very thing, and because of their icon, its ok.
To me, i would rather see a non Catholicagreeing with the Vatican & Catholic teachings than a Catholic denigrading the Vatican and the teachings.
But that's just me.
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If a person that identifies as Catholic teaches against Church doctrine, report it and explain how it is against Church doctrine if it is not obvious. For now, until the advisors approve the SOF, we go by the Catechism of the Catholic Church as a SOF. A nonCatholic who posts in agreement with Church teachings should not be considered a problem. What we are going for is for some openness as to who can post in the congregational forums but the posts cannot be against that congregations beliefs regardless of how a member identifies themselves.
Snarky comments about priests or bishops may be considered flaming - religious figures are included in the flaming rule.
But they have to be reported.
Things have changed since i first moderated OBOB i suspect...
But if a Catholic makes snarky comments against an orthodox priest or Bishop in good standing with the Church or even the Pope - is it reportable?
It used to be... and the post was changed. [edited]
Lately the lines are blurred...so i am not sure anymore and have left the posts unreported.
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I like the EO members...
And i don't think MariaRegina has been debating.
She tends to give a thumbsup to some posts on occasion, but for many ages past we had certain friends do that. General conversation is ok...as far as i always knew.
As long as they arent going against the CHURCH teaching - then i dont see the debate.
If they mock, question the efficency, or denigrade the faith in any way - then it becomes cumbersome.
UNFORTUNATELY we have Catholic members who have been doing that very thing, and because of their icon, its ok.
To me, i would rather see a non Catholicagreeing with the Vatican & Catholic teachings than a Catholic denigrading the Vatican and the teachings.
Okay, I have a confession to make... I didn't realize MariaRegina was Orthodox because her posts have been so in line with my Catholic teachings/beliefs that I just assumed she was Catholic.
I welcome all to OBOB, of course, but I do want to see the ACTUAL teachings of the Catholic Church being discussed at the forum--- not just liberal-minded Catholics saying how unloving we are against sinners. Especially when the liberal Catholics have already gotten their own forum.
My only question is this... (to add to the discussion hopefully)
If a Catholic member (regardless of what "side" they are on) says that Bishop X is a horrible person because he doesn't believe in gay marriage, can we report the post as 1. it flames the person "he's a horrible person" and 2. goes against what the Catholic Church teaches: gay marriage is NOT marriage/gay sex, etc.???
I really am tired of non-Catholic teachings being shared in OBOB and I do greatly appreciate the TAW members coming by and sharing their wisdom and standing up for Catholic beliefs.
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If an Orthodox person posts in OBOB an their posts are in line with Catholic beliefs, then the post is okay. IF they are teaching against Catholic beliefs, it is not. The other situation (criticizing a bishop) would need to be looked at.
Thanks, Jo, I really did not fully understand CFs definition of brinking. I thought it meant seeing how far one could go without violating the rules and stretching the boundaries. That has never been my intention.
I like to communicate with my friends in OBOB, share common beliefs with them, and support them. Frankly, if they left, I might leave too. I would be torn. And yes, it is a dilemma. Several of my Catholic friends here told me if I stopped posting in OBOB, then they would leave because there are so few people left in OBOB who are faithful to the magisterium.
Is there anyway that I could be declared to be a friend of OBOB and have dual posting privileges in OBOB and in TAW? Honestly, I do feel at home in either forum especially after spending 50 years as a cradle Catholic. This would not be an exception as Anhelyna already has set the precedent where she has dual posting privileges in OBOB and in TAW as a member of the Ukrainian Catholic Church.
Several years ago, I was voted in by the OBOB mods and allowed to have dual posting privileges in both OBOB and in TAW. I think I still have posting privileges in the Charismatic faith group too, but with all the forum changes, I do not know where it is now. Oh, I am also a member of the Apostolic Forum.
Years ago, when I was trained for CF staff, we were told that "blinking" is a PURPOSEFUL, INTENTIONAL attempt to circumvent the rules. For example, saying, "You are a donkey's hind end!" Well, "donkey's hind end" is not a rule violation, but the poster is OBVIOUSLY and INTENTIONALLY using a term that means that. Blinking. The blinking rule often exists in sites like this because you get posters who are very, very talented at TECHNICALLY circumventing the rules but OBVIOUSLY they intend to do what the rule forbids - and everyone knows it.
I was told that "blinking" CANNOT be used where there is no evidence. It CANNOT be used for undocumented expectations. For example, the poster says, "I disagree with that" CANNOT be use to document blinking for what Staff thinks is a circumvention for flaming. In other words, Staff CANNOT use the "blinking" rule for what they SUSPECT the poster MEANT (as if they can read minds, lol) but there must be evidence of this circumvention that can be documented in the Report. And of course, "blinking" has to be circumventing a specific rule. " This word/phrase is an obvious substitution or circumvention for _________ which violates Rule _________." I was instructed that it needs to be used VERY carefully, otherwise rules won't matter or what was posted won't matter. Staff must work on evidence.
I have no idea if all this has changed since then. Sadly, CF has always been EXTREMELY poor about communicating such to the posters. Even if a warning is issued, rarely is there a clear, definitive explanation of what is the exact position of CF on that matter, just "you did wrong, better luck next time." Posters are required to do a lot of guessing. Of late, CF has made helpers available. That's a good move, IMHO, but again, they don't have precise info either, they are also guessing.
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If an Orthodox person posts in OBOB an their posts are in line with Catholic beliefs, then the post is okay. IF they are teaching against Catholic beliefs, it is not. The other situation (criticizing a bishop) would need to be looked at.
What if what is posted is NEITHER in line or against CATHOLIC beliefs?
Let's say a Catholic poster writes, "The sky is blue." A non-catholic replies, "Blue is my favorite color!" Has he committed a rule violation?
To use a more pointed example, a Catholic posts, "Martin Luther was born in England." And a non-catholic replies, "Actually, Luther was born in Germany." Now, in this case, there IS debate - because we have a thesis/antithesis, and the non-Protestant IS teaching. Both of which COULD be arbitrated as rule violations. However, neither statement is against Catholic beliefs. The Catholic Church does NOT teach that Luther was born in England, the statement by the non-Catholic does not in any sense conflict with Catholic teachings.
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If a Catholic member (regardless of what "side" they are on) says that Bishop X is a horrible person because he doesn't believe in gay marriage, can we report the post as 1. it flames the person "he's a horrible person" and 2. goes against what the Catholic Church teaches: gay marriage is NOT marriage/gay sex, etc.???
I'd appreciate Staff clarification of that, as well....
"Bishop ____________ is horrible because he accepts gay marriage" isn't a statement conflicting with the Catholic Catechism, thus is it a specific OBOB rule violation?
Now, it could be seen as "flaming" if Staff determines that one teaching a horrible position cannot be designated as horrible. That seems pretty questionable to me. But it probably would be okay if the poster said "wrong" rather than "horrible." The fact that the poster gives the reason for the characterization makes it stronger and less open to being viewed as a personal offense/flaming, IMHO.
Now, can a NON-CATHOLIC (such as an Orthodox or Anglican or Lutheran) post that in OBOB? Well, since the poster is not disagreeing with a position of the Catholic Church (in fact, they are writing in SUPPORT of such), I don't see how it could be arbitration as a rule violation simply and only because a non-Catholic is posting it. The only issue would be the same "horrible" adjective as when a Catholic posts it.
That's MY thoughts. But I'm not on Staff in Ecumenical. I'd like to hear from those that are.
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What if what is posted is NEITHER in line or against CATHOLIC beliefs?
Let's say a Catholic poster writes, "The sky is blue." A non-catholic replies, "Blue is my favorite color!" Has he committed a rule violation?
To use a more pointed example, a Catholic posts, "Martin Luther was born in England." And a non-catholic replies, "Actually, Luther was born in Germany." Now, in this case, there IS debate - because we have a thesis/antithesis, and the non-Protestant IS teaching. Both of which COULD be arbitrated as rule violations. However, neither statement is against Catholic beliefs. The Catholic Church does NOT teach that Luther was born in England, the statement by the non-Catholic does not in any sense conflict with Catholic teachings.
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Hi, Josiah
If there is a non-Catholic poster who posts in OBOB and nit-picks just about everything a Catholic poster says, I can see that as violating CF rules because it is very disruptive and the posts are not in fellowship. After a while, most everyone can see the intent is not to fellowship, but to disrupt and take a thread off topic.
That scenario is going on right now in Theology. Finally, posters in that thread are ignoring that person in question. As a result, he has voluntarily decided to quit posting. Problem solved this time.
Trouble arises when people engage a person like that instead of ignoring his posts in the first place. Yes, there is the temptation to preach the truth to correct an offtopic remark that attacks one's faith, but then that corrective remark can take a thread offtopic and further disrupt the thread.
Anyway, I would like to hear what a mod has to say.
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And yes, it is a dilemma. Several of my Catholic friends here told me if I stopped posting in OBOB, then they would leave because there are so few people left in OBOB who are faithful to the magisterium.
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